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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"
Hopefully this positivity will continue to breed across the club, fans included (even you ME!
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I am sorry but it is difficult to be TOO positive when we still have the coach that we have. We have made some excellent signings, but, IMO, we still have a load of "average" players at the club also. Players like Worrincy, Sheriffe, Reardon, Sculthorpe, Platt etc just are not good enough and although the majority of our first 13 are quality, God knows what will happen if we get a couple of injuries.
We are still poor in the centres/wing position also.
Again though, it really matters not a great deal as, IMO, "the best young coach in Britain" will screw us up again with his inadequacies.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I am sorry but it is difficult to be TOO positive when we still have the coach that we have. We have made some excellent signings, but, IMO, we still have a load of "average" players at the club also. Players like Worrincy, Sheriffe, Reardon, Sculthorpe, Platt etc just are not good enough and although the majority of our first 13 are quality, God knows what will happen if we get a couple of injuries.
We are still poor in the centres/wing position also.
Again though, it really matters not a great deal as, IMO, "the best young coach in Britain" will screw us up again with his inadequacies.'"
AFAIK, there isn't one squad in SL that has brilliant players right the way through.
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| Quote ="AaronBull"AFAIK, there isn't one squad in SL that has brilliant players right the way through.'"
There isn't. One person I was chatting to from a club (who I won't name names or club) said it spot on when he said that every team needs to have the odd "average" player in there to stay under the salary cap. If you want the best players, you have to offset that by having an average one on a low wage. Unfortunately, you're going to struggle to get 17 best players.
We have the likes of Sheriffe, Platt & Sykes. Leeds have Ablett, Kirke & Bailey. Saints with Fozzard, Hargreaves, Clough. Wigan have Hansen, Coley & Prescott.
All players that can do very well on their day. However if there was no salary cap, I don't think you'd be seeing those players in a first choice 17 at a big club.
Sure, there are some clubs that seem to have a higher salary cap than others, but everyone has to play ball, and that means having to have the likes of Sheriffe & Platt in the 17 in order to have people like Orford and Menzies.
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| New season and a new core to the team. We've made changes to most of our key positions and overall I think our squad is better and certainly a bit more balanced. Our start really is crucial and we have some very tough opening games, but if we get off to a flyer it should bring some much needed positivity to the club.
I can't wait for the season to kick off, let's just hope we have a few more 'highs' this year!
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| Quote ="AaronBull"AFAIK, there isn't one squad in SL that has brilliant players right the way through.'"
And where did I suggest that there was? Perhaps you can point this out to me?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I am sorry but it is difficult to be TOO positive when we still have the coach that we have. We have made some excellent signings, but, IMO, we still have a load of "average" players at the club also. Players like Worrincy, Sheriffe, Reardon, Sculthorpe, Platt etc just are not good enough'"
I notice you name Reardon and Sculthorpe as two who are 'not good enough'. So you're the coach of the Bulls (heaven help us) who would you have brought in instead of? I can't think of many wingers and props who were up for grabs. I'm not sure whether Sculthorpe will work out, but I think Reardon is potentially a very good signing.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I am sorry but it is difficult to be TOO positive when we still have the coach that we have. We have made some excellent signings, but, IMO, we still have a load of "average" players at the club also. Players like Worrincy, Sheriffe, Reardon, Sculthorpe, Platt etc just are not good enough and although the majority of our first 13 are quality, God knows what will happen if we get a couple of injuries.
We are still poor in the centres/wing position also.
Again though, it really matters not a great deal as, IMO, "the best young coach in Britain" will screw us up again with his inadequacies.'"
Ur a total numpty fella, god help the us with misrable f'in fans like u, sculthorpe, worrincy and reardon? not up to it , average, thers a little thing called a salary cap mate, wake up, we can never have the team we had 5 years ago (WHEN WE WERE OVER £100,00 OVER THE SALARY CAP) people like you, why do you bother going, it aint all about win, win, win, glory, glory fella
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| Quote ="!RYAN!"Ur a total numpty fella, god help the us with misrable f'in fans like u, sculthorpe, worrincy and reardon? not up to it , average, thers a little thing called a salary cap mate, wake up, we can never have the team we had 5 years ago (WHEN WE WERE OVER £100,00 OVER THE SALARY CAP) people like you, why do you bother going, it aint all about win, win, win, glory, glory fella
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| Quote ="!RYAN!"Ur a total numpty fella, god help the us with misrable f'in fans like u, sculthorpe, worrincy and reardon? not up to it , average, thers a little thing called a salary cap mate, wake up, we can never have the team we had 5 years ago (WHEN WE WERE OVER £100,00 OVER THE SALARY CAP) people like you, why do you bother going, it aint all about win, win, win, glory, glory fella
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Indeed we do have a tight salary cap. Therefore we should not be wasting part of it on people like Worrincy and Sculthorpe who should never have been signed in the first place. That is my point.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I notice you name Reardon and Sculthorpe as two who are 'not good enough'. So you're the coach of the Bulls (heaven help us) who would you have brought in instead of? I can't think of many wingers and props who were up for grabs. I'm not sure whether Sculthorpe will work out, but I think Reardon is potentially a very good signing.'"
I would have taken Paul King over Sculthorpe for starters.
As for Reardon?? If you reckon an injury prone has been with off-field issues is a potentially good signing then perhaps you should not be mocking others. People in glass houses and all that......
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I would have taken Paul King over Sculthorpe for starters.
As for Reardon?? If you reckon an injury prone has been with off-field issues is a potentially good signing then perhaps you should not be mocking others. People in glass houses and all that......'"
Paul King
Yes I expect you would have been on here singing the clubs praises if we had landed his prize signature. At least other clubs were interested in Sculthorpe, Nathan Brown certainly didn't want to lose him.
Paul King is hardly injury free either, so I am pretty confident he won't be one we regret missing out on.
And yes 'potentially' I feel Reardon may turn out well [iif[/i he can come back from his injuries.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I would have taken Paul King over Sculthorpe for starters.
As for Reardon?? If you reckon an injury prone has been with off-field issues is a potentially good signing then perhaps you should not be mocking others. People in glass houses and all that......'"
Paul King??? - Have a word with yourself mate, u must be takin the pi$$ now
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Paul King
Yes I expect you would have been on here singing the clubs praises if we had landed his prize signature. At least other clubs were interested in Sculthorpe, Nathan Brown certainly didn't want to lose him.
Paul King is hardly injury free either, so I am pretty confident he won't be one we regret missing out on.
And yes 'potentially' I feel Reardon may turn out well [iif[/i he can come back from his injuries.'"
It is all a matter of opinion, but I would happily have had King over Danny Sculthorpe. Danny Sculthorpe has never been anything other than rubbish and he is an embarrassing signing. OK, so Kings' best days are behind him but I would rather, if we needed to make a cheap signing, sign a has-been rather than a never-was.
As for other clubs being interested in King, did he not just sign for Wakey? i.e. another club?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"It is all a matter of opinion, but I would happily have had King over Danny Sculthorpe. Danny Sculthorpe has never been anything other than rubbish and he is an embarrassing signing. OK, so Kings' best days are behind him but I would rather,
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But you highlighted him as a player we should of signed instead of Sculthorpe. So I presume you felt he would be significantly better, an opinion I doubt too many would agree with. I am not convinced about Sculthorpe but I can see the reasons why he was signed, so will give him a fair crack of the whip at the club.
Quote ="mystic eddie"As for other clubs being interested in King, did he not just sign for Wakey? i.e. another club?'"
And who else? Probably the Crusaders but I think they would just about sign anyone who's played a game at SL level. It was well documented that the Giants were keen to retain Sculthorpe, so he must have shown something in his stint there.
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if we needed to make a cheap signing, sign a has-been rather than a never-was.'"
I thought in your words Reardon was a 'has been'? H Sunderland winner and GB international... seems to fit your criteria quite well IMO.
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| In fairness, King and Sculthorpe are pretty much the same level in terms of ability.
However, Sculthorpe tore us apart when he was at Cas a couple of seasons back with his kicking game (I know, it sounds ridiculous) IIRC.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"In fairness, King and Sculthorpe are pretty much the same level in terms of ability.
However, Sculthorpe tore us apart when he was at Cas a couple of seasons back with his kicking game (I know, it sounds ridiculous) IIRC.'"
I'd say the were of a similar reputation. Their attributes and abilities are quite different though as you allude too.
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| Paul King offers very little imo. At least with Sculthorpe, he has the ability to do something a little different, much like Paul mentioned with the half decent kicking game. As a standard prop, there probably isn't much difference, but Sculthorpe just brings a little to the table which wasn't already at the club (a prop who can kick a bit is hard to deal with, aswell as the aggression).
I wouldn't say I'm happy with the Sculthorpe signing, but I at least understand it. I'd be p*ssed off if we'd have taken Paul King.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Paul King offers very little imo. At least with Sculthorpe, he has the ability to do something a little different, much like Paul mentioned with the half decent kicking game.'"
We've finally replaced David Hobbs.
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| Quote ="af"We've finally replaced David Hobbs.'"
Except he doesn't kick goals...
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I would have taken Paul King over Sculthorpe for starters.
As for Reardon?? If you reckon an injury prone has been with off-field issues is a potentially good signing then perhaps you should not be mocking others. People in glass houses and all that......'"
You've lost it. Is that Paul King or Reardon you are describing there?
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| I think Mystic Eddie is a fool, do you go to games mate, do you have a season ticket?
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| Quote ="!RYAN!"I think Mystic Eddie is a fool, do you go to games mate, do you have a season ticket?'"
Owning a season ticket has nothing to do with anything, you don't need a season ticket to attend games. Getting a little personal aren't you calling him a fool? Just because his opinion doesn't match yours..
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Owning a season ticket has nothing to do with anything, you don't need a season ticket to attend games. Getting a little personal aren't you calling him a fool? Just because his opinion doesn't match yours..'"
If your not a season ticket holder your oppinion meens nothing! Hang your head in shame! I sugest you get yourself up to Odsal and get yourself one and if you have a family make sure you get them one two! other wise your an evil person!!!
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| Quote ="steamingbull02"If your not a season ticket holder your oppinion meens nothing! Hang your head in shame! I sugest you get yourself up to Odsal and get yourself one and if you have a family make sure you get them one two! other wise your an evil person!!!'"
I own one for what it's worth.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Getting a little personal aren't you calling him a fool? Just because his opinion doesn't match yours..'"
Aye. Chill Ryan.
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