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| [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/4377348.Worrincy__We_expected_a_walk_in_the_park/The Worrlord tells us what many suspected[/url
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| Well shame on MacNamara, then. It's his job to get into the heads of the players and make damn sure they are NOT complacent.
Also shame on Deacon. It's his job to reinforce this on the pitch.
We need leadership off and on the pitch. I despair.
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| I wish I knew what the problem was, and I'm sure Worrincy may like to think this was some sort of excuse, but honestly at 8-6 half-time (?) can any one of them have[i really[/i come out in the second half [istill[/i thinking it was a walk in the park? I don't think so.
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| Quote “We can’t be up one week, then down the other; we have to get consistency. We have to show the fans what we’re going to do. It’s no good saying it. '"
Spot on. It seems Mike takes the view of others on here who are fed up with hearing the same story every week about how good we'll be in the next game.
Quote “We’ve said a lot this year and I’m not really a man of words I’m a man of actions and I just want to get out there against Salford on Friday and correct what we did so wrong against Celtic.” '"
Well, Worrincy received a ton of criticism when he joined. I belittled his signing. However, he's proved us wrong, and become a bit of a super sub.
If only the rest of the team could have an attitude like him - we may start going somewhere..
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| Peacock touches on the inconsistancy issue in his book. In 2005 the futures of many players was uncertain which had a destabilising effect in the dressing room. I suspect something else is doing the same this year. What that is, who knows. I vote for cancelling training tomorrow and lock them all in a room until they've sorted it out
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| Frankly, I'm really getting sick and tired of this constant mantra - every week we have one or other squad member coming out with the same old crap about how 'we let everyone down' and 'we will put it right next week'.
Last week it was 'Oh, don't worry we certainly won't be taking Celtic lightly'. Now suddenly it's 'we expected a walk in the park'. Clearly something is wrong either with the coaching, the motivation, or the general attitude of the players - or maybe all of those things!
I'm convinced that the main problem is that the same 17 players know and expect that they will be playing next week. There's basically no competition for places at the moment. I know there are two or three injuries - but no more than any other team. If three or four of the squad were dropped after a poor performance, then they might buck their ideas up.
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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"I vote for cancelling training tomorrow and lock them all in a room until they've sorted it out'"
Hear hear. Somehow I reckons that their already doing that, unfortunately it is a room with ales on tap and pork scratchys behind the bar.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Well, Worrincy received a ton of criticism when he joined. I belittled his signing. However, he's proved us wrong, and become a bit of a super sub.
If only the rest of the team could have an attitude like him - we may start going somewhere..'"
I like Worrincy but is he that much better than you thought or does he just stand out against the dross he is playing with.
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| There was plenty of talk around Sunday's game about whether the Crusaders were being disrespected. Opposition players can - and did - look after themselves in that regard. However, this fan feels more than a little disrespected by an attitude like that. Perhaps its telling that one of the few players who could hold his head up was sent to deliver the message this time.
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Frankly, I'm really getting sick and tired of this constant mantra - every week we have one or other squad member coming out with the same old crap about how 'we let everyone down' and 'we will put it right next week'.
Last week it was 'Oh, don't worry we certainly won't be taking Celtic lightly'. Now suddenly it's 'we expected a walk in the park'. Clearly something is wrong either with the coaching, the motivation, or the general attitude of the players - or maybe all of those things!
I'm convinced that the main problem is that the same 17 players know and expect that they will be playing next week. There's basically no competition for places at the moment. I know there are two or three injuries - but no more than any other team. If three or four of the squad were dropped after a poor performance, then they might buck their ideas up.'"
What do you want them to say then?
And as pointed out in other threads, (almost) the same 17 beat Wakefield and Saints in the previous 2 matches.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"I like Worrincy but is he that much better than you thought or does he just stand out against the dross he is playing with.'"
Dunno yet, we'll see if we ever put a consistant run of good victories together when all are playing well.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"I like Worrincy but is he that much better than you thought or does he just stand out against the dross he is playing with.'"
He'll never be an all time great but with the lines that he was running and the fast, aggressive way that he was running them in the last half hour on Sunday, I think he looks like he could be really rather good. He's still young (there's a widespread expectancy in the game that good players should have proven themselves by the time that they're about 20 - this need not be so) and needs others playing to him, but he could be the next Sonny Medley. Also needs a bit of work on defence.
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| The worst trainer at Quins by a mile- he wont develop
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| All this off the field talk is fine, but where is it getting the team ?
When do we start taking bets on which player will give a statement after their next loss.
Assuming they will lose again soon
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| I can't understand it, look at the top 3 sides in the league. You've had 5 points off them.
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"I can't understand it, look at the top 3 sides in the league. You've had 5 points off them.'"
Quite. You need to join the club, we've got red amber and black uniforms and everything
The team seems to be able to raise itself for periods in games to compete against anybody, playing the top three seemed to focus the attention for different reasons more and so the periods of good play in each of those games was longer and so the results came.
I'm more and more convinced its all in the players heads, its a mental/attitude/concentration/teamwork/whatever issue rather than a simple skills (or lack of) issue. Which is a worry as I'd rather it was something that could be fixed in skills training and drills, but this seems more complex, and training is only a part of it, and why I dont think there is a quick fix.
And to think when we drew at home to Hull KR some people on here were distrught that we'd thrown a point away!
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| Morrison's blog
Quote I think it was down to personal preparation, rather than team preparation. There has been some stuff in the paper saying we may have taken it a bit lightly and I can't speak for individuals but as a team we definitely put in 100% and the Coaches worked really hard to give us everything we needed and get us up for the game. They couldn't have done any more but perhaps one or two individuals weren't there on the day and with the tightness of the competition nowadays, you can't afford that.'"
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| Quote ="af"Morrison's blog'"
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Hmmm....'"
My reaction too.
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| I agree. There's been lots of these sort of snide comments through the year. Maybe it might shake afew trees if names were mentioned. Naming and shaming the players in question can't hurt their performance as on average this season I don't think many players could play worse
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"I agree. There's been lots of these sort of snide comments through the year. Maybe it might shake afew trees if names were mentioned. Naming and shaming the players in question can't hurt their performance as on average this season I don't think many players could play worse'"
Heres a name for you Paul Deacon
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| Quote I can't speak for individuals but as a team we definitely put in 100% '"
What does that mean? Unless the players put in 17 X 100%, the team didn't. And Worrincy has said pretty clearly that several players didn't. McNamara said some players were "distracted" which whatever it means, certainly means that player did not put in 100%.
I agree (and repeat) that there are some big issues with some of these players. Wish I knew what.
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"I agree. There's been lots of these sort of snide comments through the year. Maybe it might shake afew trees if names were mentioned. Naming and shaming the players in question can't hurt their performance as on average this season I don't think many players could play worse'"
I'm not in favour of 'naming and shaming' particularly - but I do think that if the coaching staff are aware of players who didn't prepare properly, then they should be left out for this week's game.
It's like I argued in an earlier post. Because the whole lot of them can assume that they'll make the 17, there isn't that extra bit of edge. You could argue that professional players should have pride and motivation enough. Maybe so, but it obviously isn't the case if Morrison's comments are to be believed - so a week in the Reserves might act as a shock to the system.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"What does that mean? Unless the players put in 17 X 100%, the team didn't. And Worrincy has said pretty clearly that several players didn't. McNamara said some players were "distracted" which whatever it means, certainly means that player did not put in 100%.
I agree (and repeat) that there are some big issues with some of these players. Wish I knew what.'"
Well Macca is a strict disciplinarian according to some so this won't be a problem for us in the next game
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