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| Would be very interesting to know who is funding the claims. Given the sheer numbers of claimants involved, and claims against multiple parties, the overall costs are going to be something horrendous.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Would be very interesting to know who is funding the claims. Given the sheer numbers of claimants involved, and claims against multiple parties, the overall costs are going to be something horrendous.'"
It was reported that they were on a no win no fee case. So I'd guess they have a good chance of winning the case, otherwise why would anyone take that amount of claimants on a no win no fee?
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"To be fair, you said a hell of a lot of things at the time (and deleted a lot of them shortly after). Most turned out to be rubbish. One or two was bound to be right. If you get 100 goes at answering a question that has 100 possible answers, you're bound to get it correct at least once.'"
You are worse. All of your posts are pessimistic whinging rubbish, unfortunately none of which you delete. Which makes you rubbish all of the time. If you had 100 attempts at answering the question "what is the first letter of the alphabet" you are bound to get it wrong 100% of the time.
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| I do hope this useful thread isn't going to be derailed by any more of this petty point scoring?
Can we try to keep to the thread please.
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| I see in the League Express someone asked Chalmers why, if the case is "without merit" the club are seeking to come to a settlement.
"Settlement is a practical process, given how there isn't one party or respondent - there are four."
"There's the claimant group then four respondents, so the practical considerations that would involve a long process with 47 claimants, seven days in court and lots of lawyers involved means that perspective needs to be brought into reality."
Anyone able to de-cipher this cobblers?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I see in the League Express someone asked Chalmers why, if the case is "without merit" the club are seeking to come to a settlement.
"Settlement is a practical process, given how there isn't one party or respondent - there are four."
"There's the claimant group then four respondents, so the practical considerations that would involve a long process with 47 claimants, seven days in court and lots of lawyers involved means that perspective needs to be brought into reality."
Anyone able to de-cipher this cobblers?'"
I guess he means that reaching a settlement would be cheaper than going to court and proving their point?
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| Thanks Nothus.
I guess that's their spin anyway. Part of me wants it to go to court to see how Rimmer's "moral compass" holds up. The other part wants it all to go away.
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| It can't be simple, that is for sure. With 47 claimants (maybe some with their own lawyers) and four groups being sued (each being separately represented?) it seems mired in complexity, and therefore cost, from the start.
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| The lawyers will certainly spin it out as long as possible before settling if at all. If it goes to tribunal and they win they'll get all their costs paid.
Whether it's a fear of the mounting costs or the result of a tribunal it looks like the lawyers for the claimants are in the driving seat to me.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I see in the League Express someone asked Chalmers why, if the case is "without merit" the club are seeking to come to a settlement.
"Settlement is a practical process, given how there isn't one party or respondent - there are four."
"There's the claimant group then four respondents, so the practical considerations that would involve a long process with 47 claimants, seven days in court and lots of lawyers involved means that perspective needs to be brought into reality."
Anyone able to de-cipher this cobblers?'"
I'd expect one stumbling block to any settlement will be agreeing who pays what into the pot.
[i IF[/i the owners of the 'new' business took specialist legal advice (as they should) before buying/taking over/setting up the 'new' business they may have some comeback against that 'poor/wrong' advice if they end up with a hefty payout bill. [iIF[/i they didn't take any advice (or possibly advice from a non-specialised source) then more fool them. The old 'caveat emptor' applies here, and, [iIF[/i the whole 'new club' saga was all part of a master plan then it would be even more important to check out the fine details, especially if the plan wasn't yours.......
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| Well, let's hope it doesn't take the same route as Peter Hood's 'membership scheme', which meant a large saving on VAT except it didn't..
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Well, let's hope it doesn't take the same route as Peter Hood's 'membership scheme', which meant a large saving on VAT except it didn't..'"
I still despair of the thinking behind that one.
Mr Dog makes some important points. I'm sure these won't be lost on the current owners and the RFL now, I'd suggest they wish they'd considered them 9-10 months ago. Can see it costing quite a bit to settle. If the claim is in the region of £1.2m then you add all the costs it could be an eye-watering settlement.
Best get those season tickets on credit card if you're wanting one before the case begins.
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| To be fair, the idea was probably fine, but the implementation was far from fine and was let down by someone who didn't look into it properly and take appropriate advice. If you're going to have a 'membership scheme' then set it up legally and in a watertight manner and not in some halfd, 'it'll be reight' way.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"...
Best get those season tickets on credit card if you're wanting one before the case begins.'"
But do we know what the Bulls credit card arrangements are?
The latest wheeze is that if third parties are used such as Sage Pay or Skrill etc, then you are not necessarily covered, and there is no way of finding out either. the catch is, if a retailer uses a third party to take the payments, if they don't port that money straight through to the retailer (eg account to them periodically) then the credit card companies are successfully arguing that they are not a party to a relevant debtor-creditor-supplier agreement and escaping liability
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"I'd expect one stumbling block to any settlement will be agreeing who pays what into the pot.
[iIF[/i the owners of the 'new' business took specialist legal advice (as they should) before buying/taking over/setting up the 'new' business they may have some comeback against that 'poor/wrong' advice if they end up with a hefty payout bill. [iIF[/i they didn't take any advice (or possibly advice from a non-specialised source) then more fool them. The old 'caveat emptor' applies here, and, [iIF[/i the whole 'new club' saga was all part of a master plan then it would be even more important to check out the fine details, especially if the plan wasn't yours.......'"
Apparently they took advice from the RFL. They heard they were a professional body. At least that's what it said on the toilet wall. "For professional advice call Red Hall and ask for Ralph".
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| Does anyone have any information about the tribunal case? Are the parties still talking or have they reached the point where the employment tribunal in January is inevitable? For me and I suspect for many others this is the reason why I am not at this stage renewing my season tickets just in case the finding goes against us and the club goes t*ts up again
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| Think it was heading for mediation by a judge. But who knows.
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| [urlhttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15710703.Former_Bulls_players_and_staff_reach_settlement/[/url
Well one of the parties has settled!
And the Tribunal for the others will start on January 23rd.
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| Got my hopes up then and thought I could safely buy a season ticket!
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"[urlhttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15710703.Former_Bulls_players_and_staff_reach_settlement/[/url
Well one of the parties has settled!
And the Tribunal for the others will start on January 23rd.'"
I wonder how they settled? They were liquidated, with no cash. But Petit would have had knowledge of the other parties & negotiations. And a paper trail. And knowledge has it's own value, of course.
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| I guess Pettit could have provided his 'knowledge' of the other parties, subject to legalities, of course.
I hope it's the RFL who have most to worry about rather than us. To be fair, if the RFL obeyed all the rules and financial regulations when the newco was set up then, logically, there really should be nothing for us to worry about. It's the letters F,L and R (not necessarily in that order) that |I worry about when I consider screw-ups and people acting beyond their competence.
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| Considering the sheer amount of lies the owners have told the fans over the last year, would it really surprise anyone if it ended up that they had acted in a dodgy fashion to get control of the club in the first place?
I'm fully expecting the current club to be hit with a bill for damages come the end of January.
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| There's plenty for us to worry about for the reason that win, lose or draw, we will have ended up spending a huge stack of cash we don't have on the legals of dealing with the claims. I dread to think how much will have been clocked up. Unless RFL pick up the tab, it is hugely bad news for us.
I also wouldn't think it would be that great for team morale and player relations if those players who are still with us that are claiming against us end up getting ted in the case, so a bit of a lose-lose situation.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"There's plenty for us to worry about for the reason that win, lose or draw, we will have ended up spending a huge stack of cash we don't have on the legals of dealing with the claims. I dread to think how much will have been clocked up. Unless RFL pick up the tab, it is hugely bad news for us.
I also wouldn't think it would be that great for team morale and player relations if those players who are still with us that are claiming against us end up getting loved in the case, so a bit of a lose-lose situation.'"
Surely the motivation for bringing the case is to get money that is thought to be owed?
If that’s right then why would anyone sue a club with no money? If some of the claimants are still Bulls players or employees it seems a counterproductive thing to do since their success in the claim would also mean they’d most likely be out of a job.
I think the real target has to be the RFL. They’re the ones with the money and they had a prominent role in the sorry saga.
The legal fees is another matter. Maybe we’re paying toward that, I don’t know but surely the RFL would want us to be singing from the same hymn sheet as them and will have therefore engaged the lawyers since they have the most to lose?
…or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
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| I've said before that, in my opinion, the RFL 'engineered' the takeover anyway - at least that's how it appeared from the outside. The RFL have acted as though they feel they have something worry about when they tried to strike out some of the clauses. Lock them up!
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