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| a few more graphs with data taken from a number of sources and using one or two assumptions, though where it is stated that previous years have been modified I have used those figures. GDP is for the UK, Disposable income is sort of for Bradford, Unemployment definitely so. I have assumed that purchase of intangible assets is player purchases. operating figures have been taken where possible to exclude any Odsal/extraordinary items effect as the aim is to see the performance of the business rather than any financial engineering. despite the foregoing being an apparent disclaimer, any inaccuracies in the figures are entirely my responsibility, if anybody has any better please let me have them.
the most important line in the trends section is that red one in the middle, cost of sales, which stays pretty level after the return to Odsal. The other line of note is admin costs, which you can see goes up sharply on the return to Odsal, then reduces quickly when Hood took over and then slowly as time progresses, basically not much left to cut. So Caisleys prediction came home to roost. High Odsal costs, declining income.
As for the bench marking, I originally titled it Caisley V Hood, but the new title is I believe far more suitably ambiguous as to which is which. The graph that probably clinches it for me is the transfer fees net - average a year btw -Caisley a net spender, Hood a net receiver, and a reminder that recent player recruitment has been driven by a need to survive as much as by the needs of the team.
The figures also show that one of the individuals involved in the review process both created and walked away from one of hte most intractable financial issues facing the club, so I am just hoping that his years in the wilderness have given him a fresh insight into how to deal with it, and most importantly the funds. And that is why I am a bit concerned about the disclaimers in the news release, as to how much funders would be willing to put in. Lets hope its a billionaire.
and to bring things up to date BB, recent recruitment has shown an upward trend, and theres a good core of experienced and young players to build on, and an excellent academy side that despite being depleted by the senior teams injuries has kept winning. AND it looks like we are going to have some exciting half backs of our own coming through not just forwards that stay and outside backs that we then sell off.
anyway, not long to wait now.
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| Well one thing's for sure. If it's who you seem to think it is he wont be getting his job back at Leeds. They were really glad to see the back of him. Failed miserably.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"a few more graphs with data taken from a number of sources
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Interesting. I suppose,(not being, in any way, disparaging btw, as you've obviously spent a good bit of time on it) if it shows anything definite, it's that the more you put in the more likely you are to do well, though obviously you can only put in what you've got, and at the minute it's not a lot.
The area in general isn't awash with money either, but I guess we already knew that. FWIW, and I accept it's probably not a lot, I don't expect CC to come up any great amounts, not because of any failings on his part but because I doubt they are there to be found; not around here, anyway. Hope I'm wrong, but Hood had an open offer to anyone interested, with serious cash, to come forward and got nothing; let's hope CC has a wider circle of business contacts.
With the past misjudgments, it's a bit of a cliché, but the only people who don't make mistakes are people who don't make decisions. Not only that, but we do learn from mistakes (or most of us do ) and these are intelligent people, so I'm sure any lessons from the past have been read, marked and inwardly digested, as it were. As you say, not long to go...
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| Quote ="DenisJ"Well one thing's for sure. If it's who you seem to think it is he wont be getting his job back at Leeds. They were really glad to see the back of him. Failed miserably.'"
I see your use of grammar is as widely as inaccurate as your assumption as to who I am, or rather am not. One of your alter ego's (appropriately) also recently suggested I am Chris Caisley. Perhaps you should create yet another username for additional suggestions; obviously not using your Bulls work address.
MWB, interesting graphs, but maybe they need some more context around playing performance, off-field activity etc. I'm loathe to analyse an OPTA-style sports club model because there are too many indefinables.
Bulliac, re: making a mistake requires someone to make a decision; absolutely spot on
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| GB the performance side has been hacked around ad nauseam, and there are others far better qualified than I am to comment in detail. The league position graph and the net player spend/receipts pretty much say all you need to know on the background to the performances over the last couple of years. Faced with the unattractiveness of the Bulls to top quality experienced players, and the Orford situation being a case in point, and a lack of money anyway, the club have sensibly focused on youth, and the team approach typified in football by the likes of Stoke and until recently Bolton. I feel that we are at long last at the start of an upcyle, even if a year late, better late than never. so it is crucial to have financial stability to keep that improvement going, and in particular keep the young developing players.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"It's not inaccurate though is it Simon?'"
If you want to be a reporter you really need to get a new source.
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| Why does everyone claim to know GB? Does anyone actually know who he is?
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"I see your use of grammar is as widely as inaccurate as your assumption as to who I am, or rather am not. One of your alter ego's (appropriately) also recently suggested I am Chris Caisley. Perhaps you should create yet another username for additional suggestions; obviously not using your Bulls work address.
MWB, interesting graphs, but maybe they need some more context around playing performance, off-field activity etc. I'm loathe to analyse an OPTA-style sports club model because there are too many indefinables.
Bulliac, re: making a mistake requires someone to make a decision; absolutely spot on
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Does the fact that his grammar was only slightly out infers that his assumptions were, too?
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| Is it George Galloway? It sounds similar!
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| Quote ="M@islebugs"If you want to be a reporter you really need to get a new source.'"
So you know it's definitely not Simon Fox?
Proof?
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| Quote ="debaser"Why does everyone claim to know GB? Does anyone actually know who he is?'"
He's Richie Spedding
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| Quote ="Stul"Does the fact that his grammar was only slightly out infers that his assumptions were, too?'"
You mean implies, right?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Is it George Galloway? It sounds similar!'"
Him as well? Good god I'm well shut of her.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"So you know it's definitely not Simon Fox?
Proof?'"
Put all the half truths together and in the middle you will see a hole. That hole is exactly the same size and shape as the lie you are being told.
Whether his name is Simon or Fantastic Mr isn't the story. The story is more about who told you and why?
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"So you know it's definitely not Simon Fox?
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Mick, you're embarrassing yourself again.
MB may not "definitely know" or otherwise whom I may be, but I do. And, apologies for bursting yet another of your bubbles, but I am not the aforementioned. You do seem to be a little obsessed may I point out. Perhaps you should focus more on the points I was making about the current predicament and the logical standpoint of maintaining a positive nature regarding the review and not on your attempts at grandstanding on behalf of others.
I am alternatively, any one of: George Galloway, Keith Senior, Richie Spedding, Chris Caisley, Red Rum, Jimmy Hoffa, Peter Hood, JFK, Stuart Duffy, Hulk Hogan and Lord Lucan.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Mick, you're embarrassing yourself again.
MB may not "definitely know" or otherwise whom I may be, but I do. And, apologies for bursting yet another of your bubbles, but I am not the aforementioned. You do seem to be a little obsessed may I point out. Perhaps you should focus more on the points I was making about the current predicament and the logical standpoint of maintaining a positive nature regarding the review and not on your attempts at grandstanding on behalf of others.
I am alternatively, any one of: George Galloway, Keith Senior, Richie Spedding, Chris Caisley, Red Rum, Jimmy Hoffa, Peter Hood, JFK, Stuart Duffy, Hulk Hogan and Lord Lucan.'"
I'm hardly embarrassing myself Simon, when one has such an axe to grind against Bradford Bulls Rugby League Football Club.
However you at least talk constructive sense and I won't question you're knowledge, when presented with our current plight.
As I posted on Twitter yesterday, Chris Caisley is still very much actively sourcing investment for the short and longer term future of the club.
Someone on an financial sounding with the club has told me that Chris Caisley has approached said individual for an £150,000 investment, in return for sponsorship.
So I'm convinced that attempts have been made to avoid administration.
However that doesn't mean we will miraculously avoid it.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"I'm hardly embarrassing myself Simon, when one has such an axe to grind against Bradford Bulls Rugby League Football Club.
However you at least talk constructive sense and I won't question you're knowledge, when presented with our current plight.
As I posted on Twitter yesterday, Chris Caisley is still very much actively sourcing investment for the short and longer term future of the club.
Someone on an financial sounding with the club has told me that Chris Caisley has approached said individual for an £150,000 investment, in return for sponsorship.
So I'm convinced that attempts have been made to avoid administration.
However that doesn't mean we will miraculously avoid it.'"
I will ignore your ongoing (and incorrect) obsession with whom I may be as comical as it is, but by all means refer to me as whomever you wish if it continues your obsession and whatever inaccuracy somebody is feeding you to relay. Weeks ago you were also categorical in your assumption I was Caisley himself. I applaud your ability to blow with the latest wind
I don't read your Twitter feed (I'd be unsure of the reality of any names for a start) however I would fully expect the current review team and CC himself to be holding multiple conversations with both personal and commercial investors. That being in return for some form of sponsorship would have complete validity.
At no point have I believed that the current review team are actively looking to place it in administration, or indeed, have that as their de facto outcome. To hold that standpoint is both incredibly negative, lacking objectivity and doing nothing to aid the current predicament. That has been my constant all along to the chagrin of a couple of folks who are determined they are personally privy to the obviously pre-ordained outcome.
Yes, the silence is deafening from the review, but then I would expect nothing less and realistically, I'm more than happy to await the final assessment.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Mick, you're embarrassing yourself again.
MB may not "definitely know" or otherwise whom I may be, but I do. And, apologies for bursting yet another of your bubbles, but I am not the aforementioned. You do seem to be a little obsessed may I point out. Perhaps you should focus more on the points I was making about the current predicament and the logical standpoint of maintaining a positive nature regarding the review and not on your attempts at grandstanding on behalf of others.
I am alternatively, any one of: George Galloway, Keith Senior, Richie Spedding, Chris Caisley, Red Rum, Jimmy Hoffa, Peter Hood, JFK, Stuart Duffy, Hulk Hogan and Lord Lucan.'"
Given your stated location, of "here there and everywhere" you missed out the most obvious one: Dr Who...
Though quantum theory suggests that that location applies to us all!!
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| Wait until the review is complete but in the meantime Whitehead & Bateman start talks with Warrington. I wonder what the review will conclude.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Wait until the review is complete but in the meantime Whitehead & Bateman start talks with Warrington. I wonder what the review will conclude.'"
Surely they're talking to lots of clubs? You're not going to get the best deal just talking to the one......?
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| Quote ="tigertot"Wait until the review is complete but in the meantime Whitehead & Bateman start talks with Warrington. I wonder what the review will conclude.'"
Does anybody have an idea when the club will be announcing the findings from the review getting very bored of waiting
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