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| Something akin to Leigh Sports Village at Odsal would be very good, although I've not seen a game at LSV I've had a tour around the stadium and its a brilliant facility.
Thing with LSV though, is that the commercial element of the scheme such as the commercial development on the stadium site and retail development on Leigh East's former pitch has still not gone ahead.
An 80k sq ft 'sports retail' unit sounds ridiculous though, thats like the size of a big Tesco/Asda. Also the size of that amount of retail would make the planning case hard to make, although these might be outweighed if it is shown that the OSV is an all singing, all dancing regeneration scheme.
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| Quote ="Leaf"Something akin to Leigh Sports Village at Odsal would be very good, although I've not seen a game at LSV I've had a tour around the stadium and its a brilliant facility.
Thing with LSV though, is that the commercial element of the scheme such as the commercial development on the stadium site and retail development on Leigh East's former pitch has still not gone ahead.
An 80k sq ft 'sports retail' unit sounds ridiculous though, thats like the size of a big Tesco/Asda. Also the size of that amount of retail would make the planning case hard to make, although these might be outweighed if it is shown that the OSV is an all singing, all dancing regeneration scheme.'"
It wouldnt suprise me if the retail element ends up being smaller units similar to Forster Square.
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| Quote ="Leaf"Something akin to Leigh Sports Village at Odsal would be very good, although I've not seen a game at LSV I've had a tour around the stadium and its a brilliant facility.
Thing with LSV though, is that the commercial element of the scheme such as the commercial development on the stadium site and retail development on Leigh East's former pitch has still not gone ahead.
An 80k sq ft 'sports retail' unit sounds ridiculous though, thats like the size of a big Tesco/Asda. Also the size of that amount of retail would make the planning case hard to make, although these might be outweighed if it is shown that the OSV is an all singing, all dancing regeneration scheme.'"
I agree that £18.5m income from Sports Retail & Sponsorship sounds optimistic - that's quite a bit for any company to pay for a sports retail store especially when they can't fill Westfield in the current climate. I would presume the majority would be expected from sponsorship of the OSV over a significant period.
I would say there are a few more worrying elements in the report, not least :
[i"Both estimates are exclusive of VAT. However, VAT will be applicable to elements of the capital build programme and further detailed consideration will need to be given to this aspect of the project. As a worst case, based on the anticipated VAT rate applicable at the time of construction, the cost of the compliant scheme could raise by 17.5% to £88,712,500. At this rate the Option 1 scheme costs would rise to
£65,447,500."[/i
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[i"It should also be noted that the construction programme has not been tested with the construction industry and there is an assumption of a non-complex construction activity. As the designs develop and more information is known about the project, this programme might change."[/i
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[iPlanning permission will ultimately be required for the preferred option. The application will relate to a significant proposal and will require the submission of a considerable number of specialist studies and other supporting documents ...<snipped>....... Notwithstanding this, the suggested opening of the entire facility by 2012 remains ambitious."[/i
They're not insurmountable but there are still a lot of "don't knows" included and it's f*cking ambitious to expect there to be no hiccups.
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| Quote ="Jimmybull"It wouldnt suprise me if the retail element ends up being smaller units similar to Forster Square.'"
How many "Sports Retail" companies are there ? and would they really want to be sited next to each other ? Accepted that Sportsworld and JD are at Forster Square but JJB is closing down.
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| Quote ="BM"How many "Sports Retail" companies are there ? and would they really want to be sited next to each other ? Accepted that Sportsworld and JD are at Forster Square but JJB is closing down.'" THe JJB store at Forster square is now just a discontinued stock store.
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| Quote ="BM"How many "Sports Retail" companies are there ? and would they really want to be sited next to each other ? Accepted that Sportsworld and JD are at Forster Square but JJB is closing down.'"
Although it states Sports Retail, im not sure its limited to that.
Although in the current climate it would be difficult to get tenants, it could well be very different in 3 years. For me odsal is a pretty accessible site that in a decent market the likes of Argos, Comment, Boots, HMV, Next etc etc.. could well be interested in.
Im assuming it will be developed out by the Council and then sold to a pension fund/developer/fund manger etc..
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| I would expect that the Council would not want anything at all that may compete with Bradford city centre, which as far as retail is concerned is pretty fragile.
Planning policy is geared towards maintaining/enhancing the retail clout of town centres, so it is likely that the Council would put conditions on the planning consent, that only a certain type of goods could be sold from the site, hence the sports retail.
Retail planning, like the last scheme at Odsal, could be the major downfall of this one!
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| [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/4415541.__75m_Odsal_option_given_green_light/75 Million it is then.[/url
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| If it's delivered by 2012 I will eat Bullseye's regurgitated hat.
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| Quote ="redeverready"[url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/4415541.__75m_Odsal_option_given_green_light/75 Million it is then.[/url'"
All seater . Well, if it does happen it will benefit the club majorly.
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| I'll give 30 odd million when I win the euromillions on Friday night
Although it has to become the Paul124897 stadium if that happens!
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| Bit of a misleading title:
[i£75m Odsal option given green light[/i
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| Quote ="Paul124897"I'll give 30 odd million when I win the euromillions on Friday night
Although it has to become the Paul124897 stadium if that happens!'"
If I win it I'll donate 30 million aswell and ask it to be named the Trevor Foster Stadium.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"If I win it I'll donate 30 million aswell and ask it to be named the Trevor Foster Stadium.'"
Fair shout, that is of course what I'd name the stadium too - I'm not that selfish
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| Well if it does ever happen then the 75m scheme will definitely allow the most use from the stadium. However after so many let downs, I won't believe it is going to happen until I see last roof fitted onto the stands!!
I'm trying to 'believe' but let's just say I'm hoping and praying it becomes more than a dream!
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Well if it does ever happen then the 75m scheme will definitely allow the most use from the stadium. However after so many let downs, I won't believe it is going to happen until I see last roof fitted onto the stands!!
I'm trying to 'believe' but let's just say I'm hoping and praying it becomes more than a dream!'"
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| Well, this project has gotten further down the road than any previous scheme. But as we've been burnt on these stadium plans before and I have to join the majoritiy in the "i'll believe it when i see it" camp
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| I expect the fans forum to be packed to the rafters what with all this interest.
Get there early to get a good seat!!
Hopefully then we'll find out what the next stages are and how the funding is coming along.
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| Quote ="AndreaB"I expect the fans forum to be packed to the rafters what with all this interest.
Get there early to get a good seat!!
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It will certainly offer the club a welcome alternative point for discussion.
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| Quote ="af"Oi, I indirectly called you a philistine back a page or two and you never got back to me.
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Did you? I never noticed
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| Quote ="vbfg"We could sell Keighley.'"
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| Quote ="af"There's a couple of threads running on TotalRL about this, and I notice AJ among others continuing to push the "Bulls are a private company" line. And it's true, and it's true of the Cougars also. Yet how many private companies get articles like [url=http://viewtopic.php?t=411732this one[/url written about them? It just seems a bit philistine to write off a sports club as if it was just another branch of McDonalds. In one sense the Mona Lisa is just a dirtied bit of canvas, but we all understand it to be much more than that, don't we? And the same goes for the Bulls, and the Cougars, and City for that matter.'"
Save you trawling back through, as I am sure you were going to.
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"Well, this project has gotten further down the road than any previous scheme. But as we've been burnt on these stadium plans before and I have to join the majoritiy in the "i'll believe it when i see it" camp'"
I think the Tesco scheme was further down the line, as that was funded by a private enterprise, with all the millions still needed this is a long way off yet.
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Current Funding 19.1 Million, they say it will be delivered by 2012, not a chance of it happening, it would probably take one year to fill it in and demolish it, never mind building it and where would we play? VP? Pointless waste of money when we could move to VP and buy iy off Gibbs for probably less than 10 Million
More Here : www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... een_light/
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Current Funding 19.1 Million, they say it will be delivered by 2012, not a chance of it happening, it would probably take one year to fill it in and demolish it, never mind building it and where would we play? VP? Pointless waste of money when we could move to VP and buy iy off Gibbs for probably less than 10 Million
More Here : www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... een_light/
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| Tesco didnt get past the yes bit as morrison put a stop to that so this scheme is further along.
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