You don't see the idea of saying English is a racial group as being controversial? English is a nationality not a racial group.

if you feel like you're English, you're English. It's nothing to do with where you were born and where your parents were born. Chase has engulfed himself in "English" culture, he's lived here for 3 years, will be living here for a few more too. He obviously feels like he's an Englishman so he's chosen to play for England.

You are correct in my confusion but I am not sure you are correct in English being a race, although I think your other opinions are ludicrous. You think Krasniqi would have no pride in playing for England or, presumably, Quins?

Of course it's to do with who your parents are!
I like NZ Warriors and i enjoy watching the Kiwis, but i am from Yorkshire in England as are my ancestors therefore i am English. I have nothing against Rangi Chase, he is a fine RL player who i would love to have playing for the Bulls but he is not English.

He may have pride in playing for Quins but i feel that playing for England would be sailing under a flag of convenience.

Not really.
A white New Zealander can play for the Kiwis but not the Maoris whereas a Maori can play for both. I do not see a problem with that.
I would liken this to saying a Scot can play for GB and Scotland, but not England (unless he is Danny Brough of course, which just shows how silly the whole thing has become).

so if you moved to NZ to live and was accepted there, loved living there, you wouldn't see yourself as a kiwi?

Personally, I wouldn't, if I needed a visa to stay in the country. If I had ben granted residency, that would be a different story

Chase isn't far off that? He's eligible to represent the country in the sport he plays, he must be able to apply for a passport?

Wherever i live i would always be English because that is what i, my parents, grandparents etc are and were. That fact can never be changed, you are what you are regardless of pieces of paper and residency.
Rangi may well gain British citizenship at some point but that does not change the fact that he is not English.
Do you not understand the difference between English by birth and British citizenship?

yes but being English is an opinion and not fact.

I was also born in Yorkshire and have lived here all my life, but neither of my parents were English. Am I not English? Would I not qualify to play for England in your zany world, then?

He may, you seemingly don't, since you are talking about being English by ancestry ("what i, my parents, grandparents etc are and were"icon_wink.gif, and not birth.

Nail.....
on......

head.

It's that simple.

I am not going to be drawn into an argument over this with ill informed people. I know i am right.
As i said before if a dog is born in a stable is it a horse?
Exactly. Thankyou and goodnight.

Its afternoon actually

But wouldnt the dog be born in england so would make it english ??

Cant exactly expect dogs to deliver puppys in a hospital now can you

And................. Isnt our nationality known as British still, well thats what my passport says anyhow !!!

you've never justified that comparison, how does it apply to Chase? Was he born non human?

you aren't right and your views are coming across as racist. poor show.

Oh no, someone has used the'R' word!!??

lets change the question slightly....

Should someone be able to represent a country after only living there for 3 years. Taking into consideration, the player has no other ties to said country (parents etc.)

Yes, let's not go down the racist route. Somebody with a contrary view to somebody else doesn't make them a racist (albeit I don't agree with his assessment of being English). Far too much of the "r" crap is wheeled out in modern society and it's infuriating at best.

WTF does that mean? If anything? The way I read your post, it is exceptionally offensive. If you do not clarify what you mean by that, I will report it.

Its all to do with heritage and stuff

For example Jarrod Sammut is an Autrailian born player who plays for Malta due to his Maltese heritage, NOT because he just decided to play for them and also has most likely never resided there !!

If your cat has kittens in the broom cupboard, it doesn't mean they grow up to be brooms.

Im confuddled

Indeed, but that is pure deception on his part. Say one of your fifth-great-grandfathers came to England some centuries ago. Say the progeny of all 64 of them over the ensuing generations were all born in England. But on hi de hi's definition you could never be English as your DNA is forever contaminated by that forriner. He wasn't English, so his kid (your fourth-great-grandad) wasn't English. And as [ihe[/iwasn't English, his progeny cannot be English. And so on, to you And your great great great great great grandchildren. Forriners, the lot on 'em. The only bit we await is how far back you need to be able to trace your entire bloodline and confirm every single ancestor as "English" for it to "count".

I never sing the National Anthem, because it is not about the Nation, just one individual. There is a lot more to this country than the Monarchy.

Chile