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| He has to make a desperate attempt to tackle, dis lodge ball at last minute against a very quick man, who then hits his head on the hard ground which makes it look worse.
Red card? possibly but without the knock out on the ground Tomkins would have been up on his feet and no red card. You can bet Ganson and touchie didnt realise impact hitting the ground had, they wouldnt have seen that, i needed replay on TV to see collision with ground
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| Quote ="spymaster"Have to say you did very well today.
Raynors assault was awful take off your blinkers if it was on a bulls lad there would rightly be an utcry.'"
So by using the word assault you know that Raynor definately went in to attack the player rather than the ball? In the replays from the popular end it looks like Raynor actually tries to pull his arm back at the last minute.
I don't deny that it was a clumsy or mistimed but I have no evidence that the intent to attack the player rather than the ball was there. You see some tackles and it's obvious that the intent was there and I don't think this was one of those.
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| Kyle Briggs had a good game today, his kicking was pretty good, few dodgy passes between him and Jeffries but they linked up quite well today.
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| Quote ="Diamond Harry"Kyle Briggs had a good game today, his kicking was pretty good, few dodgy passes between him and Jeffries but they linked up quite well today.'"
I thought we looked good in attack, he'll only get better the more games he plays.
I know some people on here talk about his defensive game or the clubs view of that, but I'd take that weakness any day of the week to get the creativity and attacking game he brings.
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| Although we lost I'm really really proud of us. Was a fantastic effort and the lads should take some confidence.
Shame we lost Raynor, just had a bit to much to do. 13 men on the field and we win that game IMO.
The value of Langley to this team was there for all to see. I really liked our backrow today. All three get through a mountain of work and if we had a full squad to choose from that's what I would select. Really looking forward to the next few weeks.
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| Quote ="Northern Lad"I thought we looked good in attack, he'll only get better the more games he plays.
I know some people on here talk about his defensive game or the clubs view of that, but I'd take that weakness any day of the week to get the creativity and attacking game he brings.'"
I thought he did well bit he really has to improve in defence. Did you see his effort on finch that cost us the try.
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| Good performance... shame about the result. Lets hope we can build on this to the end of the season.
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| Just back from the game, such an atmosphere at Odsal to say there were less there today! The ref spoilt the game in my eyes, we could have won that with the extra man-Wigan got lucky at times. Proud of the bulls!
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| Just got back and all credit to the lads. Without a doubt the best performance I,ve seen this year, total commitment, just what we needed to kick start the season. Roll on next week
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| Just back. Gutted. Ganson does it again.
Well played Bradford. And what a bunch of sore winners the Wigan fans I spoke to were. Disappointing.
And to the one who seemed to personally blame us for Raynor trying to "take his ******* head off" in front of my daughter - you must be so proud.
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| Quote ="spymaster"Raynors assault was awful take off your blinkers if it was on a bulls lad there would rightly be an utcry.'"
There was.
Two weeks ago.
Lynch was poleaxed for no reason. Nothing was done about it on the day. Most folk thought it deserved red. The toerag culprit was banned when the incident was looked at later.
It is the inconsistency gets on our collective wick. Especially since it so often seems to be us on the wrong side of it.
And you must be very brave to call it an assault - potentially libelous, that.
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| Reading Garry ([size=200the[/size least succesful "expert" to comment on the game) Schofield in the Daily Star Sunday (an article that had a picture of Les and Shontayne with the sub "Lesley Vainikolo and Robbie Paul" and a picture of last years squad with the sub "is this the worst Bulls team in Superleague" despite Schofield saying it was this years team) today we are finished and have resorted to signing Championship players who are clearly not up to it .
In my honest opinion the two best players on the pitch were Shad Royston and Kyle Briggs.
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| Quote ="purplechick"Just back from the game, such an atmosphere at Odsal to say there were less there today! The ref spoilt the game in my eyes, we could have won that with the extra man-Wigan got lucky at times. Proud of the bulls!'"
Raynor spoiled the game with his assault on Tomkins.
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| Really big effort from the lads and they actually played as a team. As fans, I don't think we can ask for much more than 100% commitment. Easily the most enjoyment I've had at Odsal this year.
What is important now is how we use this performance to move forward for the rest of the year. We have shown that if we play as a team we can defend pretty well and cause teams a few problems. Confidence should have lifted considerably despite the result going against us. They have Salford next, we need to take this enthusiasm into this game and get our league campaign back on track.
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| Quote ="debaser"Just back. Gutted. Ganson does it again.
Well played Bradford. And what a bunch of sore winners the Wigan fans I spoke to were. Disappointing.
And to the one who seemed to personally blame us for Raynor trying to "take his ******* head off" in front of my daughter - you must be so proud.'"
The ones I spoke to at half time and on the way back to the car were low rent people from a low rent town.
As champions you have to be a bit more subtle in winding up supporters of the team with the lowest points difference in the league after you've scraped past them in the cup.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Raynor spoiled the game with his assault on Tomkins.'"
Assault?? not in my opinion. have you watched it back?
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Raynor spoiled the game with his assault on Tomkins.'"
Brilliant! So does that mean the spear tackle 2 minutes later was attempted murder?
If Tomkins was actually knocked out after that he needs a new profession!
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| Could you tell who the BBC wanted to win with the pre match coverage.... well it wasn't Bradford
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"The ones I spoke to at half time and on the way back to the car were low rent people from a low rent town.
As champions you have to be a bit more subtle in winding up supporters of the team with the lowest points difference in the league after you've scraped past 12 of them them in the cup.'"
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| Well, well, well. A performance of guts and heart; A real tonic.
I do find it a bit of a shame that anyone would wish to dispute the sending off. I really do think it was completely clearcut and a straight red. A great shame but perfectly fair. As to whether we would have won with 13 men, I don't think we can say. Wigan wouldn't have psychologically put their cue on the rack (not to take anything away from the balls we displayed) and may well have won anyway.
The conduct post sending off pleased me the most. To then show so much pride in keeping Wigan out when they had every excuse to fold hugely boosted my morale. That performance has got to reap rewards in the league surely?
Pretty please can this not be another false dawn (Trade Mark Stevey Mac)
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| I think Tompkins was actually out cold before he hit the ground,shocking tv.
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| Raynor was correctly sent off as his tackle was reckless, and he did make contact with the head. Having said which I have just watched the replay and it is equally clear that when he swung his arm it was aimed for Tomkins' arm and was a clear intent to hit the arm hard to dislodge the ball, there was no intent to make contact with the head, but Tomkins started to dive down as the arm was swung.
Another backs-to-the wall, fully committed, 80 minute performance from the Bulls, like a couple we have seen earlier in the season, and one bog improvement was the discipline, and our unforced errors were also much reduced on normal. I have no clue why they don't put this effort in every week, but prefer to think (or hope) that they have read all the criticism, taken all the flak on the chin, sorted their heads and their attitudes out, and that it will in future be this team, and not the keystone cops team, that runs on to the field.
Let's hope we have finally put the non-trying, headless chickens performances behind us. A truly excellent, outstanding effort today which just makes much of what we have endured even more mystifying.
The most pleasing individual performance to me were the much maligned Briggs, who finally showed what he can do, Royston, who was superb, and Platt, who at the moment is worth his weight in taties, he for one has never gone absent in a game and his committment, expecially to chase down Richards and force the error, was great. But the TEAM effort was the big thing, it shows we CAN be a team, and when we are, we can give a game to anyone.
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| Well done Bradford, there was nothing between the sides even when you were down to 12 men, Wigan just got an extra bit of luck when it mattered, unlucky.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"If Tomkins was actually knocked out after that he needs a new profession!'"
You're not beiung serious surely. He got tagged right on the off-switch. He's a monumental cock but he didn't feign being knocked out.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"icon_lol.gif Brilliant! So does that mean the spear tackle 2 minutes later was attempted murder?
If Tomkins was actually knocked out after that he needs a new profession!'"
It wasn't a spear tackle. The legs did not go over the horizontal. It was however, a dangerous throw and rightly penalised.
Why should Tomkins need a new profession? A lot of players would get knocked out from a swinging arm "punch" to the jaw at that speed. Do grow up.
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