Id prefer Odsal to VP, [ibut [/iI'd also prefer a club to no club at all.

Can we even afford Odsal in the championship? If the club might die at Odsal in the Championship, or it might die at VP in the super league I'd take my chances in the SL at VP. I think we'd have more chance of making that work. I can't see us recovering from being put in the CC at Odsal.

If this is the rescue bid that works then it would get my full support. And if it meant moving to VP and selling Odsal to fund both clubs then so be it. (BTW there is no chance city should move to Odsal, thats just a daft notion on many levels and warrants no disscusion IMHO)

Anyone who would rather the club die at Odsal than take a chance of survival at VP needs to think about what they actually want, do you want to watch professional rugby league in Bradford? If this is the way to make that happen then we need to get over ourselves and make it work.

Its a modern stadium in the same city, its not the worst outcome I can think of from all this. As I said on the other thread I for one am thankful to the people at City for getting involved and at least offering an option.

Having said all that, I still don't think we're in the end game and there are twists to come.

In someways similar to the quandary on the pledge - not happy about it but it bought us time.

Some posters have mentioned a slow death of the club at VP - but better than instant death now and it would give another "A" grade on the franchise checklist

If the RFL are stuck with the lease for Odsal, I wouldn't be suprised if they made it worth your while to stay there, even in the Championship.

Not if the council make them an offer they cannot refuse for them to surrender the lease, so they can flog it off to a Steve Parkin or other developer at a decent profit.

But lets see what the bid involves first? I fear for the motives, but we could yet be pleasantly surprised. There is always hope.

[quot[url[url[url[url[url[url[/url[/url[/url[/url[/url[/urle="Adeybull"Not if the council make them an offer they cannot refuse for them to surrender the lease, so they can flog it off to a Steve Parkin or other developer at a decent profit.

But lets see what the bid involves first? I fear for the motives, but we could yet be pleasantly surprised. There is always hope.'"

The intention would be to then sell on the land, which only they can do, for a big profit. I'm sure many council tax-payers would be more than happy with that.

We could build another mirror pool and all sorts.

The council didn't give away anything. They agreed a payment to the Bulls to cover the upkeep of the stadium and that the responsibility and costs of maintaining Odsal transferred from the council to the Bulls.

But you're right. The council will be left with a prime piece of real estate right on the motorway. How will they ever recoup their money from that?

My source told me last night that the bid was Dom bcfc and that plans are for both teams to play at odsal sporting village. Yes that's right odsal sporting village may be back on the cards

Do I take it you are not inspired by the relection of empty shops and a disused cinema?

Look in the bright side it is one hole they managed to fill!

They could always let Odsal fill with water and let the Brownlee boys train in it?

Well, there are well documented problems due to the substances which have been tipped there over the years, but it would make a brilliant site for a transport company; maybe steady Eddie could keep his connection to RL after all!

I'll be happy with a club to support tbh. Where is of secondary importance right now.

My thoughts exactly...but i'd still prefer the bulls to be playing at odsal

Are they bothered, I meen it's not like ANY council to make money out of anything they sell is it? Except Hull, just put that in so HFC don't have to comment.

Odsal everyday of the week for me. Our attendances went down while at VP and anyone who think we'd sturggle financially at Odsal, would have a reality check if we moved VP. The football club very nearly dropped out of the football league last year and if it did, probably wouldn't exist right now due to the bills their paying at VP.

groundhog day Bulliac: can you give the links to those documents, as the BMC south Bradford development plan that stated the council would allow as much development around Odsal as needed to pay for redevelopment of the stadium makes no mention of such problems. But if that is the planning deal, then they will allow as much development as is needed to cover the costs of cleansing Odsal of the pollutants that have afflicted it for many a year. hopefully both literally and metaphorically.

income 2002 VP £3561k 2010 Odsal £3956K cost of sales 2002 VP £2433K 2010 Odsal £3127K. do the sums, VP was more profitable by £300K 10 years ago, and of course we are now in 2012 which must be showing a bigger loss than 2010 otherwise we would not be in admin, so add a few more hundred thousand into that difference. So I have to ask the question, are you serious, Odsal every day of the week??? enjoy the waste tip, 7/52.

I find it as incomprehensible that any self-confessed Bulls fan would not watch their team play in a good stadium 2 miles away as I do that a RL fan would not watch the game if their favoured team packed it in.

There are many possibilities with the double triangle of Council-Bulls-BCFC and Council-Odsal-VP.

What if the council bought VP from the owner and then made BCFC and Bulls equal 1/3 owners?
And then recouped their money from the Odsal sale?

Easy, voted SL at VP. I support the club not the stadium (much as Id prefer to be at Odsal)

Well as long as we still have a club, that's the main thing.

Yes, Odsal is our spiritual home, however I think we're all in agreement that it's never going to be redeveloped, no matter what schemes are put forward.

Therefore, a move to VP, especially if both the Bulls and City are under one ownership, is a good move for the club.

The cost of upkeep at Odsal would no longer be a factor saving the club money in terms of running costs, also if we are dropped down a division, we'd get a much improved score in terms of stadia and facilities and as we'd been dropped once before we'd need all the points we can score to get back into SL.

I don't have a problem with where we play - Odsal or Valley Parade. I love it at odsal, but also liked the few seasons we had at VP. I live within walking distance of Odsal and VP is 4 miles from home. I am grateful for the potential offer from the Bradford City men as all should be. It makes sense for us to co-exist both on ground share and also as a fan base. If they did join together more and an offer was done for dual season tickets I may consider being a City fan as well in the future. ( Can't really believe that i said that as I am an original Park Avenue Fan (giving my age away now)). Survival is what it is all about and it seems to work for Wigan, Hull, Huddersfield.

No links as such.

It was certainly discussed ad nauseum in the T&A by Councillors and local worthies at the time of the Superdome fiasco, and IIRC a figure was included in that plan for a 'clean up' of the site. I guess the need for cleaning the area depends on what use the site would put to. Assuming it isn't residential or agricultural use, the only real problem might be any chance of the disturbance causing something nasty to leech down to the water table.

wasnt our average attendance higher in 2002 than in 2012 as well though? plus sales wil include gate/season ticket income which was set at a higher level in 2002 than 2012. Surely you need to factor that in before you can make a like for like comparison?.

thanks Bulliac. clearly theres a cost but not a deal breaker compared to some of the other outlays a bidder would need to make to get the club and stadium for redevelopment.

thanks mat, interesting question. the focus is the gross profit, and it was £300k less in 2010 than 2002 due to an increase in sales (probably more sky and hospitality etc) of £400K but an even bigger increase in cost of sales, some of which will be players but as Caisley commented in 2002 and 2003, a big chunk of cost for odsal. If sales go down, cost of sales has follow, and that has been the difficult task. It should be possible to reduce the player costs, one of Caisleys accusations last year was poor player recruitment, and if you have a good recruiter you can task them to get the best team for a given budget and know you are getting full value even if spending less than the cap. but before you do that, the first cut surely has to stadium costs. If somebody came in with the money to buy the club and accumen to redevelop the stadium of course no question, Odsal. Big if though.