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| Quote ="ridlerbull"The best thing about Rugby League is the fans. Lol...'"
To be fair, some fans have been very supportive. Some understand we're at rock bottom and even if a new club is formed, we're still right in the deep turd. Some know that we're hurting and that the club's staff and players are out of a job and are sympathetic to that. This includes fans from most clubs too.
Sadly for every good and nice fan from Halifax, Wakefield, Huddersfield etc., there are the total tools who can only focus on their own club, their own hatred for having been beaten in the past in a sporting contest, and ignore the human aspect. The sort of people that if they got hit by a bus, it would be a triumph for the gene pool.
I'll continue to focus on the decent ones that offer sympathy and support. It's what I'd do to others in that situation, so they're the people I want to take notice of.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Yes,Quote I had to struggle to get past option 3'" , but managed to hit League 1 and no deduction!'"
I am hoping thats irony??
If not, its delusional.
SL appears to have continued fairly well over the last few years.
I feel genuinely sorry for the loyal fans who have stuck with the club, but when you look at the 10k plus who have dropped you like chairmen of 10-15 years ago have dropped the club like a stone, it sort of begs the question of who knew what many years ago.
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| Quote ="bentleberry"And we still got smashed by the Aussies'"
Remind me, when did the Wakefield Academy last produce a player for England?
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| Not a Bulls fan obviously but I cannot see the merit in starting in the Championship with one hand tied behind your back ( i.e. points deduction).
If the business model has failed under past conditions not sure how you sell a team to supporters doomed to fail from the very start of the campaign and how you attract players of a sufficient standard against that background.
If you start at the bottom but at least have some chance of success and win games then folk are much more likely to roll up to watch a wining team.
Good luck guys, feel for you, must be an horrendous situation to find yourselves in with no club. Hopefully you will find your way back to SL at some point.
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| Quote ="roger daly"[list=[/listYou couldn't give a stuff, so could you tell us what you are doing on here'"
That's a very good point you make there Rog can't understand the bitterness really, all I can say is that's not a reflection of most Wakey fans.
Whatever the outcome lets hope it's a positive one and you and the rest of fans, good luck pal.
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| Quote ="hindle xiii"NRL.'"
Sorry guys.
I know it's your board/thread, but this is the most fantastic bit of gallows humour !
I shall henceforth retreat.
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| Surely the best option would be start from scratch. I empathise with the players and fans about the loss ofthe club, however no matter who you are or what success may have had in the past if a new club is formed it must start at the bottom, anything other than that would add to the perceived special treatment you may or may not have received.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"Surely the best option would be start from scratch. I empathise with the players and fans about the loss ofthe club, however no matter who you are or what success may have had in the past if a new club is formed it must start at the bottom, anything other than that would add to the perceived special treatment you may or may not have received.'"
As discussed elsewhere, we're still waiting for someone to explain how putting a team in the championship who won't have hired any staff (including coaches and players) until approximately 2 weeks before the season starts and putting them on -12 points, not to mention all the off field stuff that also won't have been touched yet, is special treatment. You know, totally condemning them to certain relegation and effectively wasting a season. Most seem to believe that starting in Champ 1 on a level playing field would be the best treatment they could give to Bradford.
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| Not voted on the poll as not a Bradford supporter but I think the best option for a new Bradford side would be starting in league 1 with no points deducted.
If you start in the Championship with 6 losses already notched up, a threadbare team and little hope of anything but relegation then you are on a road to failure yet again.
You would be stuck with your hardcore supporters and a team who is destined to have a poor season is going to struggle to attract new supporters and in 12 months time we will most likely see a similar scenario taking place, that helps nobody.
For all the hardcore supporters I hope something is finally sorted so the club can start on an even keel with the chance to build.
Sadly I cannot see past the RFL making sure the next Bradford start in the Championship with minus points.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"Surely the best option would be start from scratch. I empathise with the players and fans about the loss ofthe club, however no matter who you are or what success may have had in the past if a new club is formed it must start at the bottom, anything other than that would add to the perceived special treatment you may or may not have received.'"
Just about everyone agrees with you apart from the RFL.
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| Club has gone so a new one must be formed going straight into the championship is special treatment points penalty or not. And you would more than likely stay up.
Toronto have had to start in c1 don't see why a new Bradford club should be placed in higher league, at least the rfl are consistently inconsistent lol
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"Club has gone so a new one must be formed going straight into the championship is special treatment points penalty or not. And you would more than likely stay up.
Toronto have had to start in c1 don't see why a new Bradford club should be placed in higher league, at least the rfl are consistently inconsistent lol'"
How would the new club more than likely stay up?
The club won't exist for at least another fortnight. No players, coaches or staff will be signed until then. The season then starts a fortnight later. The only players left available are those that nobody else wants, as all the ones they do want, have been signed up by that point. So the team is cobbled together from a group of players nobody else thinks is any good, with effectively no pre-season, a club that also have to focus on getting sponsors, kit and all the other stuff that go along with a newly formed club, and they are going to start on -12 to go along with it.
What do you base your "you would more than likely stay up" statement on?
The club would have been better off in Champ 1 on 0 points and a slightly more level playing field. They could at least make an attempt at promotion and being in the Championship in 2018. As it stands, they're going to have no hope whatsoever of avoiding relegation from the Championship and are pretty much guaranteed to be in League 1 in 2018. So how is it special treatment to put the club in a worse situation?
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook" And you would more than likely stay up. '"
You think so?
We've no chance of staying up pal. Zilch, nada, nix, diddly squat, sweet FA. We are to be the whipping boys of RL to satisfy the RFL's need not to have to give everyone a bye instead.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"You think so?
We've no chance of staying up pal. Zilch, nada, nix, diddly squat, sweet FA.
We are to be the whipping boys of RL to satisfy the RFL's need not to have to give everyone a bye instead.'"
Just a thought, but say the Bulls didn't form for another season and the RFL gave everyone a bye. What would happen to the extra fixture at the Summer Bash? We play the bulls 3 times so potentially lose the right to fight for 6 points but everyone else only plays you twice. Those 2 points could be crucial come the end of the season.
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| I think I'm joining a pretty big queue in saying that I didn't vote as not a Bulls supporter but a clean start is important I think.
If there has to be a penalty to keep things clean for all the other clubs, it should in my opinion be to start them at a lower level, on the same footing as everyone else in that league.
A points deduction doesn't really benefit anyone. It only works if you have the same squad and team, thus penalising against the building of that team against the "rules". If you've had to let the whole team go, you already been set back a level.
I thought the Rangers demotion in Scottish football was over the top but they relegated them to the level they thought appropriate and let them start again. They are now second in the league and giving Celtic a good run for their draw on New Years Eve.
The demotion cost every club money through attendances and sponsorship I'm sure but at least they gave them a way back.
To relegate and do the points deduction simply wastes a year that could have been a building year and demoralises the new club, players and fans.
So, from a Wakefield fan, I hope we are playing against you again soon. (On your way up, not our way down )
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Just a thought, but say the Bulls didn't form for another season and the RFL gave everyone a bye. What would happen to the extra fixture at the Summer Bash? We play the bulls 3 times so potentially lose the right to fight for 6 points but everyone else only plays you twice. Those 2 points could be crucial come the end of the season.'"
If we play you this season, you're getting an easy 2 points out of that fixture. If we'd got out of the administration, you'd have had a fairly easy 2 points. The only difference in giving you a bye there and just letting you have 2 points is that your players get a week's rest instead of running in try after try after try for 80 minutes, and your fans wouldn't have any real reason to go to Blackpool apart from the Fish n Chips and the Rock.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"If we play you this season, you're getting an easy 2 points out of that fixture. If we'd got out of the administration, you'd have had a fairly easy 2 points. The only difference in giving you a bye there and just letting you have 2 points is that your players get a week's rest instead of running in try after try after try for 80 minutes, and your fans wouldn't have any real reason to go to Blackpool apart from the Fish n Chips and the Rock.'"
I'm one of the few fans who think we may struggle so those extra 2 points we cant fight for could be crucial.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"I'm one of the few fans who think we may struggle so those extra 2 points we cant fight for could be crucial.'"
You'll be fine. You just might struggle vs the SL sides but I hope you don't. I want those privileged SL clubs looking over their shoulders.
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| Quote ="PopTart"
So, from a Wakefield fan, I hope we are playing against you again soon. (On your way up, not our way down
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Thank you pop tart much appreciated
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Just a thought, but say the Bulls didn't form for another season and the RFL gave everyone a bye. What would happen to the extra fixture at the Summer Bash? We play the bulls 3 times so potentially lose the right to fight for 6 points but everyone else only plays you twice. Those 2 points could be crucial come the end of the season.'"
Surely now, so soon before the new season starts, the only option the RFL would have if this scenario played out would be to declare all Summer Bash fixtures as Friendlies.
You can't have the other 10 teams having an extra game that contributes to their points tally as that's unfair on Hull KR
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| Quote ="Bullmans Parade"Surely now, so soon before the new season starts, the only option the RFL would have if this scenario played out would be to declare all Summer Bash fixtures as Friendlies.
You can't have the other 10 teams having an extra game that contributes to their points tally as that's unfair on Hull KR'"
Straight away by doing that, you've devalued the whole weekend. Who would go all the way to Blackpool for a friendly?
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Straight away by doing that, you've devalued the whole weekend. Who would go all the way to Blackpool for a friendly?'"
I totally agree but the only alternative would be to cancel the whole thing. You can't have Hull KR only having 20 competitive fixtures in the season whilst everyone else gets 21
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| Just cancel the thing. There's only the HKR fans that would make the place look occupied.
Then give everyone a bye and let us start in championship 1 in 2018 with a proper run up. Then you don't have to go through this charade we're going through now.
If anyone's short of cash then the RFL cover it to all the other clubs. Let's face it the visit of Bradford Northern Unpaid Bills in 2017 won't bring the travelling army it did in 2015 or 2016.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Just a thought, but say the Bulls didn't form for another season and the RFL gave everyone a bye. What would happen to the extra fixture at the Summer Bash? We play the bulls 3 times so potentially lose the right to fight for 6 points but everyone else only plays you twice. Those 2 points could be crucial come the end of the season.'"
Mate, I've already said elsewhere, the bash is an unaccountable aberration already, it makes no odds whether we turn up or not, KR are going to win anyway, so just gift them the points. Job done.
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