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| Quote ="nestegg"You are right. But there is hope .... have a modicum of trust in 'us'. We are using the forum to somewhat gauge the views and reaction of our fellow (and in reality even more dedicated) Bulls fans to the ongoing debacle. Yes it will get worse before it gets better, but we feel there is some hope; but we can offer no guarantees.
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P.S. We have never been to La La Land and have no intention of ever going there ![/i'"
What a load of uneducated twaddle, if you for a minute think people are taking the bait your deluded...
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| Quote ="Surely not"What a load of uneducated twaddle, if you for a minute think people are taking the bait your deluded...
_zzzzzzzzzzzz. Next'"
Spot on! Never read as much twaddle, totally deluded.
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| Quote ="woolly07"The problem here is that this forum consists of one person who spends all day on here pretending and the other half of the posts are from just a small handful of bulls fans - some of which don't even go to games. This means it can't be used to judge the feelings of the Bulls fans who have other and probably better things to do with their time.'"
Agree in part with you Woolly, but the forum truly does serve a purpose. The fans who are on here (or the few fans as you say) are only part of the picture.
As we've said before the posts are read by a wider audience, inc. a number of the alleged bad uns who most most fan members on this forum agree need outing. We understand that a small number of members are merely on here as occasional voice pieces for the likes of AC etc (well at least they were until 'he' went to ground).
Anyhow, we will carry on regardless and until a) the truth is out once and for all via the press and media, and b) there is genuine hope (as distinct to the false hope of the past 10 yrs or so) for the Bulls moving forward.
Allegedly the RFL have a lot to answer for, and we remain confident that they will in time be held to account for their apparent gross maladministration of the Bulls post 2012, inc owner selection and vetting protocols etc. Many creditors over those years have to date lost a cumulative sum in the region of £4M+; they deserve a voice and ideally some form of reasonable retribution.
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| Quote ="Surely not"What a load of uneducated twaddle, if you for a minute think people are taking the bait your deluded...
[i_zzzzzzzzzzzz.[/i Next'"
Quote ="Billybob1"Spot on! Never read as much twaddle, totally deluded.'"
Guys, might you have conceivably meant to say .... [iNZ..zzz[/i ?
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| Quote ="nestegg"Agree in part with you Woolly, but the forum truly does serve a purpose. The fans who are on here (or the few fans as you say) are only part of the picture.
As we've said before the posts are read by a wider audience, inc. a number of the alleged bad uns who most most fan members on this forum agree need outing. We understand that a small number of members are merely on here as occasional voice pieces for the likes of AC etc (well at least they were until 'he' went to ground).
Anyhow, we will carry on regardless and until a) the truth is out once and for all via the press and media, and b) there is genuine hope (as distinct to the false hope of the past 10 yrs or so) for the Bulls moving forward.
Allegedly the RFL have a lot to answer for, and we remain confident that they will in time be held to account for their apparent gross maladministration of the Bulls post 2012, inc owner selection and vetting protocols etc. Many creditors over those years have to date lost a cumulative sum in the region of £4M+; they deserve a voice and ideally some form of reasonable retribution.'"
So people want "retribution"? Against, is it the three or just two companies which have gone belly up since 2012, wound up, case closed and no pennies left to distribute?
There may, or may not (I'm no lawyer) be a case(s) against the incumbent, but not going back to previous regimes. They are dead and gone, nothing left to see, all done and officially dusted by an administrator with no money to be found, though I'm not sure that anyone actually checked the tea drawer before the lights were turned out.
So, if they come looking for "retribution" beyond the last three years there is simply no-one left to shoot, so best practise some whistling - sad to say, that may be their best chance. Btw, I'm glad that you've now let slip your major objective in all this nonsense. There is nothing wrong in trying to find compensation (is that the word you really meant?) for people who lost out and I'd wish you all the best to be honest, but pretending you had the best interests of the club at heart was dishonest and is no way to get any help from here.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"
So, if they come looking for "retribution" beyond the last three years there is simply no-one left to shoot, so best practise some whistling - sad to say, that may be their best chance. Btw, I'm glad that you've now let slip your major objective in all this nonsense. There is nothing wrong in trying to find compensation (is that the word you really meant?) for people who lost out and I'd wish you all the best to be honest, but pretending you had the best interests of the club at heart was dishonest and is no way to get any help from here.'"
I suspect the word that 'nestegg' was grasping for was 'restitution' - but didn't really have the literacy skills to be able to find it
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| Quote ="Highlander"Yes CC & Hood - the Tesco/Morrison’s fiasco did for them. Compounded by the fragmented shareholdings.
Hoods last throw of the dice was gambling all on Orford & cheap tickets and iirc we were 4th and in the QF when he got injured. A promising season fell apart and the end began.
Omar - I always thought the £1.8m fine he received was imposed by the SL clubs, but I’ve heard recently he offered it. Which would be madness. As soon as central funding was cut, his fate was sealed.
My only quibble with your summary above - Mr Green was a chancer. Lots of stories about his businesses in Leeds were kicking around. Could play a crowd though - charismatic.
Still info to come out re AC, so the jury still out on him for me'"
Omar was hung out to dry by the clubs. He had 2 choices either give them the funding and be allowed to compete in the league or keep the money and have a team and nothing to play in. So indeed he did give them the money only because he had no choice.
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Yo don't have to identify yourself but would you kindly explain to us who you are, your intentions on this forum and your aims in regards to the situation with the club right now and in the future, short and long term.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"So people want "retribution"? Against, is it the three or just two companies which have gone belly up since 2012, wound up, case closed and no pennies left to distribute?
There may, or may not (I'm no lawyer) be a case(s) against the incumbent, but not going back to previous regimes. They are dead and gone, nothing left to see, all done and officially dusted by an administrator with no money to be found, though I'm not sure that anyone actually checked the tea drawer before the lights were turned out.
So, if they come looking for "retribution" beyond the last three years there is simply no-one left to shoot, so best practise some whistling - sad to say, that may be their best chance. Btw, I'm glad that you've now let slip your major objective in all this nonsense. There is nothing wrong in trying to find compensation (is that the word you really meant?) for people who lost out and I'd wish you all the best to be honest, but pretending you had the best interests of the club at heart was dishonest and is no way to get any help from here.'"
With the utmost respect mate you are remarkably well wide of the mark, but nice try. And no it's not a case of ... "[iwell they would say that wouldn't they[/i".
Yes, two of the nesteggers are owed a small amount of money by the Bulls, but they are willing to write it off.
The creditors past and present are most definitely the least of our concerns, but there may nonetheless be a way to achieve retribution across the board for a few, if not many. Don't however want to burden you on a Sunday evening with legal mumbo jumbo regarding the above.
The negativity simply washes over us. We are looking to truly help the Bulls and the RL community. If you and some other cynics don't believe us (or don't want to believe us) then that may be 'your' problem, not ours. Time should tell.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Nestegg
Yo don't have to identify yourself but would you kindly explain to us who you are, your intentions on this forum and your aims in regards to the situation with the club right now and in the future, short and long term.
Regards'"
We have done mate, well at least to the extent that we are legally advised to do so at this time.
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| Is Nestegg still talking?
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| Quote ="DrFeelgood"Is Nestegg still talking?'"
I only know the answer is yes because I see it when people quote it. I know most are paying zero attention now even if they haven't used the "ignore" button, but of those who are responding, it seems absolutely nobody believes a word "they" are spouting.
I'd have given up by now. It's not even remotely convincing and is just repeating rumours from elsewhere on the internet with the pretence of knowledge.
It would be nice if they'd stop hijacking the thread with the bulls hit.
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| We’ll get Breretons initial thoughts in interview tonight/tomorrow
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| Nest egg- please learn from the past,you don't need to be a hero!
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| Quote ="Highlander"We’ll get Breretons initial thoughts in interview tonight/tomorrow'"
Yes, you will. And will the fans for the umpteenth time fall for what may again prove to be twaddle; this time allegedly from CB and his so called consortium.
Remember a majority (if not a comfortable majority) of our fans were behind AC a few months back. Not now.
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| What are the alternatives to CB so called consortium?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"What are the alternatives to CB so called consortium?
Any ideas, Eggy?'"
Yes there are mate.Sadly it would be utterly stupid of us to show any hand in a public forum. That is until all of our ducks are in a row.
CB is essentially a sound bloke, but it is who has allegedly put him up to this task which appears to be of concern, In any event, even if (and it's surely still a reasonably big 'if') AC and his wife's (c/o Orcas) combined nil value shares are transferred to CB et al he/they are likely to have additional yet undisclosed (i.e. likely not disclosed to CB by AC et al) shocks waiting in the wings. So as was the case with AC, CB et al would most likely have a limited liability of sod all value and therefore if it goes tits up again then CB's consortium could also bugger off at any time and the club would likely go into administration.
Surely, we need and deserve a lot better than that.
If CB has minted backers (which we doubt) then as the RL agent, Craig Harrison, would say .... "SHOW ME THE MONEY".
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| Summary of League Express report:
Another CCJ is filed against the club, totalling £5,472. Filed on 25th September and currently unpaid.
Energy company believed to be owed a 5 figure sum.
Two local travel companies, suppliers and other clubs believed to be owed money.
Says in the report the club are trying to sell Rowan Milnes & Matty Storton to raise money.
"At least two" players informing the club of contract termination over the pension issue but that Bulls don't believe they have the right to terminate.
Also something about a report into the Odsal acquisition, but if I'm honest, I'm not all that bothered about that nowadays.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Summary of League Express report:
Another CCJ is filed against the club, totalling £5,472. Filed on 25th September and currently unpaid.
Energy company believed to be owed a 5 figure sum.
Two local travel companies, suppliers and other clubs believed to be owed money.
Says in the report the club are trying to sell Rowan Milnes & Matty Storton to raise money.
"At least two" players informing the club of contract termination over the pension issue but that Bulls don't believe they have the right to terminate.
Also something about a report into the Odsal acquisition, but if I'm honest, I'm not all that bothered about that nowadays.'"
That's gut wrenching regarding Milnes & Storton. But it sounds like it's the only alternative to admin and them leaving for nothing anyway.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Summary of League Express report:
Another CCJ is filed against the club, totalling £5,472. Filed on 25th September and currently unpaid.
Energy company believed to be owed a 5 figure sum.
Two local travel companies, suppliers and other clubs believed to be owed money.
Says in the report the club are trying to sell Rowan Milnes & Matty Storton to raise money.
"At least two" players informing the club of contract termination over the pension issue but that Bulls don't believe they have the right to terminate.
Also something about a report into the Odsal acquisition, but if I'm honest, I'm not all that bothered about that nowadays.'"
Assuming the above is correct, is that it? Gee, most of this is old news. What are journos up to !? Has CB even been interviewed?
The energy company is Hudson Energy and yes they are owed a shed load of money.
There are many, many creditors, and many of them are owed high five figure sums.
The two local travel companies are we understand City Travel and Williams Coaches. Ask any player; the club had we understand been unable to reliably pay for coaches for away matches since the second half of last season - the Hunslet away game last season being a classic example; we understand Kear did his nut at the time, and who can blame him.
The CCJ's can be found on the internet in an instance. CCJ's are NOT a winding up petition; well not just yet anyhow, and no debtor with potential losses of say <£20K-£30K would waste throwing good money after bad to pay lawyers to oversee a WUP process. It's usually the likes of the HMRC etc who do that, as was the case with Green's BBNL.
Yes they are trying to sell Milnes and Storton, but we understand that these 2 players (and others) could in theory walk regardless in any event due to yet another alleged Bulls administrative cock up. Don't ask us to explain; it should be disclosed in the 'reliable' press (and not a RL rag) soon enough. In any case, if CB is looking to offload two quality youngsters then that surely proves once and for all that his so called consortium has no meaningful financial backers. If CB did have meaningful investors in the wings then the 'consortium' would on balance surely look to hang on to their valuable assets, not offload them in a fire sale.
As for "[iAt least two" players informing the club of contract termination over the pension issue but that Bulls don't believe they have the right to terminate[/i". We'd side with the players on that one, but our friends the RFL may still hold a gun to their head, or even god forbid threaten or bully them for having the bare faced cheek to obtain legal advice!
As for Odsal ..... well if you think Odsal is history guys ... think again.
Anyhow, most of the article (if that's all there is in it) is old news.
CB ... if you and your gang are serious players, and as we said earlier ..... [iSHOW ME (or the fans etc) THE MONEY[/i.
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| In league weekly Chris Brereton says he's 90% confident of completing the takeover. Says Chalmers is on the other side of the world so they're just trying to get an exact picture of the debt involved which could scupper things. Says Nigel Wood isn't involved in the consortium but could come on board at a later date. Says John Kear his keen to stay on which I think would be absolutely crucial as looks like next season will be all about survival while we try and get our finances under control.
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