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| I wonder if we get any exemptions because technically we have signed a player from the other code.
Not that I expect us to be anywhere near our limits this season, but still worth a mention.
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| Watched a few videos of him. Looks an exciting prospect. I trust Graham Lowe and Geoff Toovey to recruit players that will suit our budget but add plenty to the team and suit the division. We saw what a field day the likes of Moss and Chisholm had against some of the Championship teams last year and this guys looks like he could have the same impact attack wise.
He reminds me a bit of Ryan Brierley in terms of his build and speed. I imagine he'll be one of those players that if he gets through a gap he wont be caught. His step looks great too.
He is on Twitter and replied to someone saying he'll be here in a couple of weeks.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"where have you been the last few years? this is usual start to the season. No props,half backs that need to prove themselves etc., so look on the bright side: at least we haven't got the usual 15 back rowers that have to be played at full back wing hooker prop half back.'"
Whilst there is some truth to that, I think the biggest disappointment is that the latest set back and admin came just when we seemed to be getting over the on-field problems that had beset previous seasons and had the makings of a good side, under a good coach.
On-field, we're basically back two seasons and with a poorer team - though I suspect Toovey is a better coach than Jimmy was, and hopefully the owners will have a better handle on the finances. Though that last bit won't be [ithat[/i difficult to achieve... I think any real optimism must be for the longer term though, unless some forwards can be unearthed relatively quickly.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Whilst there is some truth to that, I think the biggest disappointment is that the latest set back and admin came just when we seemed to be getting over the on-field problems that had beset previous seasons and had the makings of a good side, under a good coach.
On-field, we're basically back two seasons and with a poorer team - though I suspect Toovey is a better coach than Jimmy was, and hopefully the owners will have a better handle on the finances. Though that last bit won't be [ithat[/i difficult to achieve... I think any real optimism must be for the longer term though, unless some forwards can be unearthed relatively quickly.'"
IMHO the squad last year should have performed a lot better than it did.
Rohan didn't really do anything to hint he was a great coach, a nice guy a good publicist and related to the best thing that ever happened to Bradford Bulls but not the Messiah as some people seem to think.
We are already seeing a lot more blood and guts from the team than we have since long before relegation.
Toovey a few quality additions and I think we will all be well on board the Bulls train again.
We will start to see a turn in a couple of months, but I agree it will be 2 or 3 seasons before we are firing.
Anything before that and survival this year is a big bonus!
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"IMHO the squad last year should have performed a lot better than it did.
Rohan didn't really do anything to hint he was a great coach, a nice guy a good publicist and related to the best thing that ever happened to Bradford Bulls but not the Messiah as some people seem to think.
We are already seeing a lot more blood and guts from the team than we have since long before relegation.
Toovey a few quality additions and I think we will all be well on board the Bulls train again.
We will start to see a turn in a couple of months, but I agree it will be 2 or 3 seasons before we are firing.
Anything before that and survival this year is a big bonus!'"
Bit harsh on Rohan.
He didn't come in until almost June and took on someone else's team and also introduced a couple of decent players into the mix. I agree the season was a big let down as a whole, but I'm far from sure you can lay that at Smithy's door. Biggest problem last season was leaving Jimmy in charge too long and then all the financial stuff right when we needed the squad to concentrate on playing rugby.
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| In all honesty, I don't know how anyone manages to rank Rohan either way on coaching ability based on his time at Bradford. I won't say he was good, because not a lot happened. Similarly I won't say he was rubbish, as he was lumped with a lot of poor players and attitudes and never got chance to bring in his own people or coach a full season, save for a few hasty additions to the squad last season.
The way he stuck by and still worked with a positive attitude after the admin is a credit to him as a bloke, and you feel for the way he hasn't got something from that. But actually judging his ability as a coach from his time at Bradford to me is totally impossible to do.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Bit harsh on Rohan.
He didn't come in until almost June and took on someone else's team and also introduced a couple of decent players into the mix. I agree the season was a big let down as a whole, but I'm far from sure you can lay that at Smithy's door. Biggest problem last season was leaving Jimmy in charge too long and then all the financial stuff right when we needed the squad to concentrate on playing rugby.'"
Now we know what we know, isn't it reasonable to assume that the problems in the first half of last season might have been to do with the board, and not Jimmy's ability as a coach? Jimmy might have seen what was coming and jumped ship before it sank. It would make some sense - we almost made it back to SL under Jimmy let's not forget, with a squad that wasn't too dissimilar from last season's.
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| Thought biggest change after smith came in was arrival of some actual halfbacks in Chisholm,charnock and Keyes. Plus moss was another big improvement to squad. Would have been interesting to see whether performances would have performed equally if jimmy had been in charge with them available. Don't think there was a massive improvement in performance from rest of jimmys squad after smiths arrival, other than emergence of Ryan but that was largely down to over players being unavailable through injury. How smith went on this season would have been real indicator as to his ability.
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| Lowes didnāt have the contacts down under to be able to get the most out of recruitment in that part of the world.
Recruitment was a mess before the 2016 season got underway. Mullaney leaving and no halfback recruited seriously messed things up. Various players recruited on a whim and then never given a game. Others given plenty of opportunities yet never performing.
Anyway back on topic I think this new signing strikes me as a bit superfluous to requirements.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Lowes didnāt have the contacts down under to be able to get the most out of recruitment in that part of the world.
Recruitment was a mess before the 2016 season got underway. Mullaney leaving and no halfback recruited seriously messed things up. Various players recruited on a whim and then never given a game. Others given plenty of opportunities yet never performing.
Anyway back on topic I think this new signing strikes me as a bit superfluous to requirements.'"
Not if he turns out to be a good half back to cover Leon's inevitable niggles as the season grinds on.
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| Watching the KR game now our forwards need beefing up 2 props have to be on Tooveys shopping list.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"In all honesty, I don't know how anyone manages to rank Rohan either way on coaching ability based on his time at Bradford. I won't say he was good, because not a lot happened. Similarly I won't say he was rubbish, as he was lumped with a lot of poor players and attitudes and never got chance to bring in his own people or coach a full season, save for a few hasty additions to the squad last season.
The way he stuck by and still worked with a positive attitude after the admin is a credit to him as a bloke, and you feel for the way he hasn't got something from that. But actually judging his ability as a coach from his time at Bradford to me is totally impossible to do.'"
I agree 100%. Shame we never got to see how good he was (or not).
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I agree 100%. Shame we never got to see how good he was (or not).'"
I agree with both of you. It's not that I believed Rohan would automatically be a good coach- he just gave me that feeling that he knew what he was doing , understanding not only the game but how to manage people. I was pretty confident that with a full pre season and his own selection of players, he had a better than even chance of making a significant mark.
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"Watching the KR game now our forwards need beefing up 2 props have to be on Tooveys shopping list.'"
I think, that as said before, the missing numbers in the squad list suggest some people are already in the frame. Have to agree we need them as soon as.
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| Phoenix looks a very talented and handy player but I fear the contrast of playing in the Dubai 7's on a dry wide pitch against just 7 players in nice dry weather conditions may come as a reality shock when playing up the slope at Batley in winter against 13 players with 6 battle hardened forwards waiting to knock this "little cocky buggers" head off may be too much to handle. I really hope I'm wrong and he goes on to be the legend that Robbie became but I have my reservations.
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"Watching the KR game now our forwards need beefing up 2 props have to be on Tooveys shopping list.'"
Out of interest, where did you watch the game? Bulls TV no longer exists as far as I know? I couldn't attend due to circumstances totally out of my control so would quite like the opportunity to see the match.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"Out of interest, where did you watch the game? Bulls TV no longer exists as far as I know? I couldn't attend due to circumstances totally out of my control so would quite like the opportunity to see the match.'"
Just search for Hull KR vs Bulls on YouTube.
I watched most of it just now!
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Just search for Hull KR vs Bulls on YouTube.
I watched most of it just now!'"
Watching it at x2 speed almost like watching NRL
Also the PTB is much much better at this speed
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| Watching it at x2 speed almost like watching NRL
Also the PTB is much much better at this speed
Above the 20 mtrs the defence wasn't too bad, but a bit religious close to the goal line, attack was o/k and I could see why Leon was giving the Team some stick at times and in these circumstances the right thing to do!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I agree 100%. Shame we never got to see how good he was (or not).'"
Someone at the club told me Cas are signing him now he is a free agent. Just because they can.
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Just search for Hull KR vs Bulls on YouTube.
I watched most of it just now!'"
Excellent, thank you. I never realised stuff like this ended up on YouTube. This modern technology eh?
Will have a watch of that this evening before the Cas/Leigh game I think.
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| Quote ="Blotto"Watching it at x2 speed almost like watching NRL
Also the PTB is much much better at this speed
Above the 20 mtrs the defence wasn't too bad, but a bit religious close to the goal line, attack was o/k and I could see why Leon was giving the Team some stick at times and in these circumstances the right thing to do!'"
Not many individual errors I thought. It was all defensive system errors, which should be fixable with training time. Basically we looked like a team who hadn't trained or played together much.....
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"
Will have a watch of that this evening before the Cas/Leigh game I think.'"
It will be like a prawn cocktail starter followed by a main course of Beluga caviar.
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| Just watched first 10 minutes and the thing we are all talking about is obvious, for all the effort (which is fantastic) lack of punch with ball in hand is obvious. Colton Roche gets well stuck in though
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| Quote ="tigertot"Someone at the club told me Cas are signing him now he is a free agent. Just because they can.'"
Typical moneybags big club. Not proper RL.
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