I think that was more to do with Hull starting very well, like they wanted to make a point, we didn't have much possession in the first 20. And I stand by the thought that that application and desire last night would have been enough in a few games this year to turn narrow losses into wins, (cas home and away, salford away, celtic home, quins home [icould [/ihave gone the other way with the effort and desire put in last night, that could have meant 10 more points) which would have seen us in the playoffs with room to spare, but its academic anyway now.

Was that the lad in the pink t-shirt? He was a Hull KR fan and got himself ejected...funny to watch though.

For me those games were the key. I would also add Hull KR and Wakey away as games that we should, rather than could, have won. But I dont put it down to lack of effort or desire. It seemed to me that the basic problem was that, although we were dominating games, we tended to cave in when the opposition had the inevitable good spell. The games at Salford & HKR were prime examples of where we seemed to lose all self belief once the opposition scored.

I agree about losing the self belief at times this year but I also think that in some matches we lacked the amount of desire and effort to win that we have shown recently.

No, he was to my left. This young lad was at the front....with his elderly relative (no offence)

It seems that this is just the norm at Hull. Every time I go, and last night was no exception, you see numerous idiots in chav corner pointing to people and offering them outside. And every single time, the stewards just stand there and watch them. At any other ground, that would get you thrown out for threatening behaviour, but it just seems like Hull are fine with it.

saw the last 5 mins on a small tv in the dessert, glad to see the support off the lads I myself thought we might have got through, roll on 2010 were i will be attneding more matches and out of this crap country

Certainly does nothing to enhance the reputation of the Hull club. Nothing changes each year so it seems the management are happy to let this continue.

Dunno who you are mate, but come home safe and in one piece.

The funniest bit was at the end when the Bulls players thought they had made the play offs!

Hull don't control or pay for the stewarding, that's all run by the stadium management. And if all they're doing is standing up and being chavs surely you can jut ignore them and watch the game? the less attention they get the less they do it.

No. They aren't just "standing up and being chavs", they're exhibiting threatening behaviour towards opposition fans, who then end up doing the same back. This is the very start of any trouble and they should be thrown out for doing it (as should anyone doing it back to them by the way). Being pointed at and then pointed outside is threatening and should not just "be ignored".

I must admit, I reacted and gave them a few V signs and a bit of verbals but you are right, it is not 'just being chavs' it can be intimidating for some ...not me though, I'd have 'em

For me it goes beyond the point of being easy to ignore when you get grown men gesticulating and shouting abuse at young kids like several morons did in the direction of my eight year old son and his two similar-aged school friends when they cheered a couple of Bulls' scores. Is this really in keeping with the idea of RL being a family game?

A bit of banter is great but I have seen more intelligence in a fish pond than was on display in certain bits of the East Stand last night.

I had to chuckle when I spoke to a steward on my way out and made a point of commenting on how delightful some of the home fans were. He shrugged his shoulders in a resigned way and said simply said 'Good luck outside.' Nice touch I thought and demonstrates how un-bothered they are.

Hull Fans have always been the same, a small section of nobodies and a large section good people and responsible RL fans. I just wind the Chav corner up and laugh at them when they are telling you what they are going to do from a sperated section of the ground 30 yards away. They are just wannabe warriors that don't have the guts to do it from anywhere else.

They are a bit like those keyboard warriors that like to tell you how hard they are and are going to smash you from behind the safety of their computer screen but don't have the guts to turn up in the real world.

Both are nobodies and total sad acts.

In fairness, let's not forget that our club also has a group of s attending games. Although nowhere near as bad as the Hull lot, that ginger chav and his mates shouldn't even be attending our games (they were near the drummer in the North stand).

I thought the chants of 'hit em hard, em up' was unnecessary especially with the young kids around.

1996 Challenge Cup Final
1997 Challenge Cup Final
1998 Elimination Play-off
1999 Grand Final
2000 Elimination Play-off
2001 Challenge Cup Final
2002 Grand Final
2005 Home Round game
And now last night..........

St Helens. F$£k off and die. Please.

What?

Disappointment as a Bulls fan always leads back to St Helens. Guh!

Don't think anyone blames Saints really. We shouldn't have had to rely on them in the first place

Did you not hear? We already have died. Two rounds of booing and a mass exodus at 60 minutes I think gives you an idea of the level of our performance last night. We won't make it past the elimination playoffs this season.

If you'd been taking any notice of our performances in recent months you wouldn't have even considered relying upon us to see you into the playoffs!

Yeah i know. But we stuck 42 points past Catalans the other week. You really must be pants.

Pants!..... did someone mention pants???



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The table doesn't lie we finished ninth because we were the ninth best team over the whole season. When we have to rely on other teams it shows we haven't done enough ourselves.

1 Leeds Rhinos 27 21 0 6 805 453 352 42 15
2 St Helens 27 19 0 8 733 466 267 38 9
3 Hull K R 27 17 1 9 650 516 134 35 15
4 Huddersfield Giants 26 17 0 9 642 400 242 34 12
5 Wakefield Wildcats 27 16 0 11 685 609 76 32 15
6 Wigan Warriors 26 15 0 11 643 503 140 30 15
7 Catalans Dragons 27 13 0 14 613 660 -47 26 12
8 Castleford Tigers 26 13 0 13 610 680 -70 26 9
9 Bradford Bulls 27 12 1 14 653 668 -15 25 15

See

Castleford away, Celtic Crusaders at home, Huddersfield at home when their penalty count should have given us enough field position to win the game etc. etc. etc.

Still it's all water under the bridge now. I feel a bit more confident about next season and it's only
5 months away.

Got to agree with DILLIGAF here, I was in an area closer than usual to 'chav corner' and it was disgusting to be honest. Knowing the RFL's stance on the 'Respect' campaign etc it does make you wonder how this group get away with it. Abuse on many levels was clearly audible from that corner and parts of the East Stand which would not be tolerated at most of the other SL grounds but I think the Stewards operate on a damage limitation strategy and they don't want to have to mass evict for their own safety.

Rugby League is a family game, something needs to done but I think it has to be a Club and Supporter initiative to show what is and is not reasonable behavior, its that or live with the fact that your Club has a bad reputation earned for you by these idiots. I would not take someone new to RL to the KC to get them interested, we took our Mum to this one and I don't think she will be there next year, loves going to away games with us but not the KC again.

Unfortunately I have heard from a lot of Bradford fans who got a lot more abuse than usual just getting to thier cars that night which is sad as the majority of Hull FC fans get tainted by the few.