Funny I was thinking the same about starting again and playing in Bradford but also got to think of the players we still have and hope things go right for them has any other team been through what we have in the last few years in the history of the game

Agree BULLS brand now Toxic as if the non payment of pensions is correct then I can't imagine any companies wanting to be connected with those wrong doings.So brand ruined,Odsal gone and if nothing is sorted,our best players also,fans mis sold season tickets with more debts etc to be revealed.Start again as Bradford Northern,hopefully keep as many of squad as possible and try to get back to Bradford somehow.No way anyone will take over the debt,why would they?The players and fans deserve so much more.I tell you what though,I feel very uncomfortable with the timings of Chalmers deciding to leave Odsal ,then him bailing out and the sheet hitting the fan.Uncanny right?

There has to be a full investigation by a independent body not associated with the Rfl as it truly is not right. How can the Rfl get it wrong so many times. As for Ac u can have a championship squad of 38 players. I know the academy was compulsory but not sure about reserve team. Come on money men start a new team with a new stadium and if we have to start again in league one so be it as long as we have a club that is sustainable. We need to distance ourselves as far as possible from the bulls brand. Why are the Rfl and Ac not giving us answers it truly does stink

Well said,

Again well said Jay.

We have some of the 'answers' Jay, but need for the time being to keep some of our cards close to our chest.

And before some cynics bleat out .. " [iyour cards (or your only 'card') is the 'joker'[/i " ... then if that's to be your view, then so be it

"Never underestimate the human capacity for delusion" - Roger Cohen

A quote by a well renowned jewish author and journo.

As for delusion Dilligaf then pl consider the following, and your views and those of other members would of course be welcome.

Were you and the many loyal and long suffering Bulls ever deluded by any of the following owners/persons, or were any (or all) all of these persons at some stage deluded themselves?:

1) Peter Hood
2) Omar Khan
3) Marc Green
4) Andrew Chalmers
5) Chris Brereton, and
6) Nigel Wood

Be interest to hear your learned opinion(s).

We'll work on your understandable cynicism re our motives as time progresses.

Time to watch the Grand Final - it's 14 years since we last featured.

Having read some of this thread, and others from the times of previous changes of ownership, it never rains but it pours in your neck of the woods.
We should count ourselves lucky for Simon Moran on the money front, and Darren Burns on the playing front, for keeping us in the topflight.

Hope the wheel of fortune turns full circle in the none too distant, and you have a stadium, within Bradford, you can call a home ground.

Thank you for such supportive words from the wider RL community.

Hopefully we'll be playing against the Wolves again in the not too distant future, and of course in the SL.

Further confirmation that you're in La La Land. The only hopes you should have are that the Club actually survives this latest mess and that any new owners only spend what can be afforded, which will make you a mid to top end Championship club for the foreseeable (although after a probable dip to nearer the bottom). Many fans also need to get that into their heads.

We can dream Mr D, and if we don't aim high, then our prolonged period of mediocrity will interminably continue.

That said we agree that all Bulls fans need to recognise and accept that in the immediate term we need to manage our finances and players in a prudent and professional manner ... and ideally not break the law!

We think the so called CB consortium will provide no more than the same mediocrity. The consortium has we understand no substantial financial backing and thus mid Championship may be the best we could hope for, and yes we agree with you that if we are not (very) careful and effectively managed etc then we'll do well to avoid being relegated to League 1 next season. CB's consortium is we believe not the right choice for the club, and is allegedly associated with some untrustworthy characters. In this regard a number of well renowned RL commentators are starting to see the light and say the same, albeit to date not in print.

Out of interest Mr D, did you ever believe in Andrew Chalmers' 2017 La La Land vision in that he aspired to a return to SL by circa 2020? Was he deluded?

Ah, the fact that you're keeping some close to your chest explains a lot.

Like why you're not playing with a full deck.

Whats the latest on the players that invoked termination of thier contracts? I believe Bradford's 7 days for appeal for a few of them was up on Friday.

Leaving aside no's 5 and 6, the common factor with them all is that they were left a pile of doo doo by the name above, along with the RFL - I guess you should add Chris Caisley to the top of the list as he was the one who spent the Odsal Settlement money on contracting players which history shows we couldn't afford.

All of those started with a 'queered pitch'. CC was scuppered with the 'Superdome' fiasco and the rest either by debts and or points deductions kindly left in their in-trays, and most of them started with no team either. I honestly believe each and every one (including my addition at the top) did their honest best and thought they were doing right by the club though clearly, self preservation did take over at the end for a few.

As for me, if the sale doesn't go ahead, and we're back to square 1 yet again, then that's it. No more re-boots, new seasons with no team, no money and no chance. They can re-start where they want, under what name they want and with whoever they want in control. Unless it's some really 'minted' guy it'll be re-starting without me.

Yes CC & Hood - the Tesco/Morrison’s fiasco did for them. Compounded by the fragmented shareholdings.
Hoods last throw of the dice was gambling all on Orford & cheap tickets and iirc we were 4th and in the QF when he got injured. A promising season fell apart and the end began.
Omar - I always thought the £1.8m fine he received was imposed by the SL clubs, but I’ve heard recently he offered it. Which would be madness. As soon as central funding was cut, his fate was sealed.
My only quibble with your summary above - Mr Green was a chancer. Lots of stories about his businesses in Leeds were kicking around. Could play a crowd though - charismatic.
Still info to come out re AC, so the jury still out on him for me

Every time this type of debacle happens with the owners / RFL all we seem to get from people is: you the fans need to realise this/that, you are a lost cause, your are in cuckoo land, you have no chance of surviving.
Why don't you lot just direct your comments to the people who cause this mess and not the loyal fans who have to put up with all this crap year after year.
Just stand back and be thankful your team has not been in this kind of S%^T like we have for years which is not the fans fault.

I prefer:

"Never underappreciate my jeffing son" - Roger Daly

We have some snide visitors who are unable or unwilling to differentiate between the club and its fans. If we back the new owners we get called "Happy clappers", and if we are cynical and sceptical we are berated for not giving them a chance. If you look at the debacle of this club and conclude that the fans are fair game then you're an absolute dick.

Ha
He text me yesterday to ask if I’ve heard anything. How wrong is that, the players haven’t got a clue

Hi Roger it's wrong on so many levels especially for the players like Elliott who absolutely love the club. I feel for them as they have been promised the earth by another chancer who has done a running. If he hasn't then why is Ac not saying anything as he usually has plenty to say. The Rfl should hang their hein shame how can they put people in charge of this once great club who have no idea

Yes mate it really is a disgrace. I guess once again the full facts will never come out, I think we’ve all read this book before.
It is strange Chalmers silence is deafening isn’t it, with him normally having so much to say about other people.

A source has informed us that an appeal was lodged; but we did not witness said act personally, so we (as is often the case) are reliant on the words of another.

From an objective legal viewpoint it would appear that the players contracts were irrevocably breached, but the RFL live in a somewhat of a subjective La La Land, and do of course have the power to hold a gun to the head of any player. We understand, but are not certain, that if a club's appeal is upheld then a player would likely at first sight have to abide by his contract and presumably his (or in this case their) only recourse would likely be to go to a court/tribunal, or a UK based independent arbitration service and/or the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). Sadly either option would be costly and possibly not realistic. Even vulture type sports lawyers will not act for free; even those who we are are told sadly let down certain RL players a few years ago.

You are right. But there is hope .... have a modicum of trust in 'us'. We are using the forum to somewhat gauge the views and reaction of our fellow (and in reality even more dedicated) Bulls fans to the ongoing debacle. Yes it will get worse before it gets better, but we feel there is some hope; but we can offer no guarantees.
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P.S. We have never been to La La Land and have no intention of ever going there ![/i

Maybe use it to gauge the reaction to your own posts? On the basis of the replies it would be a good idea to stop posting.

The problem here is that this forum consists of one person who spends all day on here pretending and the other half of the posts are from just a small handful of bulls fans - some of which don't even go to games. This means it can't be used to judge the feelings of the Bulls fans who have other and probably better things to do with their time.