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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"I'm not so sure where I fall on this. Whilst I agree that on the face of it a massive blunder has been made by the RFL in picking this particular chairman, I'm not sure how much blame falls at their feet for what's happened. How much can you really know about a person before they perform the act? Sure there were some warning signs there, but presumably there were also some indications that they may do something right, otherwise why would they possibly have gone down that route in the first place.
It kind of reminds me of a situation a few years back when an ex work colleague of mine died. Whilst looking up funeral proceedings on the internet, we discovered that actually he had a past before we worked with him that made him very much not a nice man. Without going into detail of what he did, it was bad enough that he only escaped jail time because he appeared to be terminal at the time (he ended up at least temporarily beating that diagnosis). I worked with him for years never knowing about the past and before it was discovered, I would have swore blind he was a lovely chap. Since presumably his past wasn't known about when he was hired, should the people that hired him be lambasted for doing so, even though they clearly didn't know what he was? I don't think they should.
Different situation I know, but when people are saying the RFL should take the blame, it just reminds me of that event. Which is why I'm not sure where my opinion sits on it.'"
On a one off situation you are correct. But when the should have been policing salary cap breaches we carried out, agreeing to register Harris as a player which was subsequently found out to be illegal, Hood's massive overspend, followed by fit and proper person checks on Greene (twice?) and Chalmers then they would seem a little inept. They have given rise to a new saying however. "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me four times, shame on me again ad nauseum"
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"On a one off situation you are correct. But when the should have been policing salary cap breaches we carried out, agreeing to register Harris as a player which was subsequently found out to be illegal, Hood's massive overspend, followed by fit and proper person checks on Greene (twice?) and Chalmers then they would seem a little inept. They have given rise to a new saying however. "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me four times, shame on me again ad nauseum"'"
You also missed the often over looked consortium that was going to buy off OK. Who allegedly forced admin 2 on RFL advice( how true this is I don’t know) but then walked away for reasons that have never been explained
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"(3 years of pension contributions suggests so).'"
Where did the 3 years bit come from? As we were a new company in Jan 2017, we had to start enrolling people in the workplace pension from Jan 2018, didn't we? So the maximum pension screwup is about 20months?
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| Quote ="Godiswithers"You also missed the often over looked consortium that was going to buy off OK. Who allegedly forced admin 2 on RFL advice( how true this is I don’t know) but then walked away for reasons that have never been explained'"
That [uwas[/u true. AS for walking away, they were due to sign up for the club when the RFL parachuted Greene in with Steve Ferres as babysitter.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Where did the 3 years bit come from? As we were a new company in Jan 2017, we had to start enrolling people in the workplace pension from Jan 2018, didn't we? So the maximum pension screwup is about 20months?'"
I'll stand corrected, as I know nothing about that really
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| Is anybody else waiting for Robbie Paul to come out of the shower and find the last 10 years have been a dream.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"These situations always bring out the liars. You would think we have enough experience by now to take everyone who claims to have insider knowledge with a whole salt shaker, never mind a pinch. And yet still the stirring and attention seeking gets people talking.
There's only one person who claims any insider knowledge on here that I ever believe and that's Roger, largely because he has backed everything up in the past and only passes on information he knows to be accurate and he is able to share. Anyone else claiming knowledge, remember your salt folks and try not to get wound up. If you want to put energies into this, I'd suggest just hoping something gets sorted that those who want a club still have it, and those who have been shafted with pensions or unpaid bills get their money.'"
Thank you. I sure people on here know when there is things I can’t say and had to hold back a bit since last weekend but now more stuff is out in the open and I’m so glad Ross said exactly how it is on Robbies show the other night
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| Right, apologise if this is a bit long winded and apologise for this been from a purely personal point of view.
Elliot was born in 1996, first year of super league. I can remember when he was a baby he had a baby grow which said “born to be a Bull” for that to come true, well, words can’t fully explain. All he ever wanted as kid was to play for the Bulls, he went to all the grand finals as a young kid, mad about the club.
When he signed 2 year ago it was his dream come true, which in turn made my dream come true. To think now that some thieving b%stard has now ruined all that is absolutely disgusting. Anger, bitterness, don’t even come close to how I’m feeling.
He’s vice captain and when Steve doesn’t play or goes off in a game, Elliot is captain on the field. For a lifelong Bulls/Northern fan it doesn’t get any better than watching your son captain your team. I reckon he’s done ok in the 2 years he’s been at the Bulls. It has been said, by someone who’s opinion Elliot really does value, that he’s never seen anybody give as much or it means as much to play for your own team, the team you support.
About this time last year I was in Benidorm and it was announced Elliot had signed a 3 year deal. I really was overwhelmed with the comments on here, on the Facebook groups, messages I received, it was unbelievably overwhelming. I go to Benidorm again soon, what a bleeding difference 12 months make.
All thanks to someone. Hope they are really proud of what they have done and the consequences it causing.
Let’s hope someone ends up in court over all this and pays for ruining people’s dreams
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| Quote ="Highlander"Where did the 3 years bit come from? As we were a new company in Jan 2017, we had to start enrolling people in the workplace pension from Jan 2018, didn't we? So the maximum pension screwup is about 20months?'"
Jan '18 is the latest date by which it had to be done not the date at which it necessarily was.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"A little clue, see if you can work it out for yourself: entering a CVA is classed an 'insolvency event'.'"
Yes, but in most sports as far as we are aware a CVA does not mean any resulting points deduction. For example, look at recent events at Yorkshire Carnegie in the world of rugby union. Given that they appear to be a law to themselves, not sure what would be the situation with the dear old RFL.
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| Quote ="domthebull" it is a shame we cant as bulls fans push a claim against the rfl for their interference in the administrations as their input has clearly not helped. The stipulations and punishments were never going to aid an organisation to thrive not that I am supporting Chalmers but whoever did take over may have challenged this more if it wasnt for the rfl insisting and bringing in their yes man. I am not blaming the rfl as a conspiracy against us as they haven't allegedly mislaid pension payments for 3 years nor do I know of any involvement.'"
Almost worth a gold star Dom. Clearly the Bulls fans can't push a claim against the RFL, but what about all the creditors who have lost out?
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| Quote ="roger daly"Right, apologise if this is a bit long winded and apologise for this been from a purely personal point of view.
Elliot was born in 1996, first year of super league. I can remember when he was a baby he had a baby grow which said “born to be a Bull” for that to come true, well, words can’t fully explain. All he ever wanted as kid was to play for the Bulls, he went to all the grand finals as a young kid, mad about the club.
When he signed 2 year ago it was his dream come true, which in turn made my dream come true. To think now that some thieving b%stard has now ruined all that is absolutely disgusting. Anger, bitterness, don’t even come close to how I’m feeling.
He’s vice captain and when Steve doesn’t play or goes off in a game, Elliot is captain on the field. For a lifelong Bulls/Northern fan it doesn’t get any better than watching your son captain your team. I reckon he’s done ok in the 2 years he’s been at the Bulls. It has been said, by someone who’s opinion Elliot really does value, that he’s never seen anybody give as much or it means as much to play for your own team, the team you support.
About this time last year I was in Benidorm and it was announced Elliot had signed a 3 year deal. I really was overwhelmed with the comments on here, on the Facebook groups, messages I received, it was unbelievably overwhelming. I go to Benidorm again soon, what a bleeding difference 12 months make.
All thanks to someone. Hope they are really proud of what they have done and the consequences it causing.
Let’s hope someone ends up in court over all this and pays for ruining people’s dreams
Rant over'"
This is a sad read
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| As a Fax Fan I totally agree
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| Quote ="nestegg"Yes, but in most sports as far as we are aware a CVA does not mean any resulting points deduction. For example, look at recent events at Yorkshire Carnegie in the world of rugby union. Given that they appear to be a law to themselves, not sure what would be the situation with the dear old RFL.[/qu
Different sport. Different resolution.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"This is a sad read
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In a way it is but he has achieved his dream of playing for and captaining his boyhood club. He is revered by the fans and he is still young enough to build on what he has done at the Bulls to have a great career.
Thanks Elliot
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| Quote ="nestegg"[i Yes, but in some sports as far as we are aware a CVA does not mean any resulting points deduction. For example, look at recent events at Yorkshire Carnegie in the world of rugby union. Given that they appear to be a law to themselves, not sure what would be the situation with the dear old RFL [/i.[/qu
Reply from Bramley Dog - "[iDifferent sport. Different resolution[/i".
Different sport - yes, as we said B Dog.
Different resolution - that's what we were querying mate, i,e, what would be the impact of a CVA be in the fair and transparent world of rugby league. According to the horse's mouth (down under Ralph) it would appear that the RFL would in fact 'presently' consider a CVA to be an 'insolvency event' leading to a 12 point deduction (as we think another poster indicated yesterday evening).
So, the latest and ever expanding live odds re the way forward are now sadly gauged to be as follows:
a) Likelihood of new consortium taking over a formal shareholder interest in the club - [i35%[/i;
b) Likelihood that the club will be in administration/ formal 'insolvency event' before Xmas - [i68%[/i;.
c) Likelihood that any fans will now buy 2020 season tickets given what we already know- [icommon sense would suggest that such a likelihood must be rapidly plummeting and may soon get close to zero.[/i Why we understand that at least one fan was asking for a refund today on their 2020 season ticket, but were refused (which is no surprise), and
d) Likelihood that a nestegg consortium may ultimately take an interest - [i??[/i.
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| a) Likelihood of new consortium taking over a formal shareholder interest in the club - 35%;
b) Likelihood that the club will be in administration/ formal 'insolvency event' before Xmas - 68%;.
c) Likelihood that any fans will now buy 2020 season tickets given what we already know- common sense would suggest that such a likelihood must be rapidly plummeting and may soon get close to zero. Why we understand that at least one fan was asking for a refund today on their 2020 season ticket, but were refused (which is no surprise), and
d) Likelihood that a nestegg consortium may ultimately take an interest - ??.
I know it's late but don't options a and b already add up to 103%
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| Quote ="nestegg"Quote ="nestegg"[i Yes, but in some sports as far as we are aware a CVA does not mean any resulting points deduction. For example, look at recent events at Yorkshire Carnegie in the world of rugby union. Given that they appear to be a law to themselves, not sure what would be the situation with the dear old RFL [/i.[/qu
Reply from Bramley Dog - "[iDifferent sport. Different resolution[/i".
Different sport - yes, as we said B Dog.
Different resolution - that's what we were querying mate, i,e, what would be the impact of a CVA be in the fair and transparent world of rugby league. According to the horse's mouth (down under Ralph) it would appear that the RFL would in fact 'presently' consider a CVA to be an 'insolvency event' leading to a 12 point deduction (as we think another poster indicated yesterday evening).
So, the latest and ever expanding live odds re the way forward are now sadly gauged to be as follows:
a) Likelihood of new consortium taking over a formal shareholder interest in the club - [i35%[/i;
b) Likelihood that the club will be in administration/ formal 'insolvency event' before Xmas - [i68%[/i;.
c) Likelihood that any fans will now buy 2020 season tickets given what we already know- [icommon sense would suggest that such a likelihood must be rapidly plummeting and may soon get close to zero.[/i Why we understand that at least one fan was asking for a refund today on their 2020 season ticket, but were refused (which is no surprise), and
d) Likelihood that a nestegg consortium may ultimately take an interest - [i??[/i.'" '" u
Well i suppose only you or 'we' know the answer to d) But if it's yes then i'd be confident you couldn't do any worse than the previous lot.
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| Where does Xmas come into this? I would assume we’ll either be taken over or insolvent by close of play Monday
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| Most annoying is why the fans, the very lifeblood of not just their Club, but also the very game, be denied an immediate update on the Club's position. Bit thin if they are fearing a drop in ST take up imo.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"
I know it's late but don't options a and b already add up to 103%'"
Congratulations nestegg you’ve passed the RFL criteria for mathematics.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Congratulations nestegg you’ve passed the RFL criteria for mathematics.'"
'fit and proper person'
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"a) Likelihood of new consortium taking over a formal shareholder interest in the club - 35%;
b) Likelihood that the club will be in administration/ formal 'insolvency event' before Xmas - 68%;.
c) Likelihood that any fans will now buy 2020 season tickets given what we already know- common sense would suggest that such a likelihood must be rapidly plummeting and may soon get close to zero. Why we understand that at least one fan was asking for a refund today on their 2020 season ticket, but were refused (which is no surprise), and
d) Likelihood that a nestegg consortium may ultimately take an interest - ??.
I know it's late but don't options a and b already add up to 103%'"
They are not cumulative options, you silly (third) 'dog'. Good quips Boxer and Paul W
But hey if you need some professional betting and odds guidance you could always turn to the Rams owner, Mark Sawyer. As well as (according to C Brereton) being proposed as a consultant to the so called new consortium (which currently seems to be struggling to come to terms with what's been going on - and still is going on - at the club), Mark is also a bookie and is known to be pally with a certain well known former senior RFL officer.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Where does Xmas come into this? I would assume we’ll either be taken over or insolvent by close of play Monday'"
Good question. Well what 'we' do know is that winding up petitions are likely to be about to land, and we anticipate that for a business of BB17's size that if any petitions are upheld then it is likely that an administrator may be appointed within the next say 3-5 week period; i.e. by on or well before Xmas.
That said, we may be wrong, but conventionally there is a process to adhere to. For the avoidance of doubt the nestegg consortium though being owed some money by the club are not looking to apply to the court for a winding up petition; but we can't stop others doing so can we. Moreover, Creditors are allowed to talk to one another and compare notes, size of debts .... and debate what Chris B has been saying to them and inferring.
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| The Rfl should be held fully accountable for this fiasco as when Ac was chosen we had other parties interested who actually had the financial backing to make a difference. I hope I'm wrong about the latest consortium but why have the Rfl always chose people who have no money to take control of this once great club. Personally I think a new club should be started as Bradford Northern as the Bulls brand is tarnished and start in league 1 playing at horsfall and get it built from a solid foundation. I believe someone with money would definitely back that
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