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| Quote ="Errol Stock"Glad to see some reasoned debate.
All I want to see is the crowds come back to Odsal.
The easier the club makes it to buy entry by flexible pricing and ticketing the more people in different situations can buy in.
Flexi tickets are widely available at other clubs and I cannot see any reason why the Bulls don't introduce them.
Wigan are selling 4 game tickets from £70 - £17.50 a game!
Rest my case.'"
I think it's a little bit unfair on Bradford to be drawing comparisons with a club in such a position as Wigan.
They have a bigger fanbase, way more central funding, a wealthy chairman, current SL champions, prize money from last year and additional revenue generated from a decent cup run and SL playoff games.
All of the above will help to put them in a strong financial position which in turn makes it easier to offer discounted tickets to supporters.
We, on the other hand, have very little funding and no wealthy chairman. I don't doubt that every penny of income we generate will have been budgeted for somewhere and when you're in a position like that you have some very difficult decisions to make regarding the pricing structure of tickets.
I'm sure we could have gone with lower ticket prices but how many walk up supporters do we need to break even or cover costs? How many to meet our cashflow needs? Without knowing the ins and outs of running the club I find it hard to criticise the decisions made by those in charge. You might not like it but ultimately you have to accept the decisions and trust that Chalmers and co. have made the right ones to help get the club back to where we all want it to be.
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| Some good points raised. Obviously the club can't have 3 or 4 thousand bespoke payment schemes tailored to the needs of each supporter, but there does seem to be a need for some greater flexibility.
I understand the emphasis on getting full amounts for STs paid asap. The club has beaten off competition to sign and retain several players and significant cash flow is needed to support this. At some point though an instalment plan is needed for those who can't afford the lump sum. I paid this way last year. I think it was introduced in December.
The flexi ticket option sounds an excellent idea. Not everyone is available for every game.
A discounted price for away supporters who buy in advance will doubtless be run again.
For those who genuinely don't have a clue if they can attend until match day then it's a bit more of a problem. Possibly a voucher system? Pay full price for 6 games and the 7th is free?
There has to be a limit but the above should cover most circumstances.
Whatever the case, it's important that we all attend as much as possible. The club don't get everything right as we are all aware, but they've made a genuine attempt to put a competitive team out. That costs money. Supporters need to try and support that.
If despite everything, there are are genuinely a few members of this supporters forum who would rather watch rival clubs or have other activities they much prefer to do on a match day, then fine, it's a free country. The rest of us will move on without you, supporting the team and doing our best to encourage new support to replace you. Support that is going to attend games.
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| When first announced surely the tickets were based on 11 home matches as the decision to increase Championship to 14 teams was only made 2 weeks before end of season. Got mine at end of Aug, Early Bird with effectively addl 10% discount voucher to spend in shop. Now I have 13 home games, well pleased with the deal.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"When I went with people that hadn’t bought in advance I found the ticket office to work fine (if you mean the booths just outside the shop). The queues to actually get in were lengthy but if you went to get in by the main carpark they were much shorter.
I expect it’s cheaper for the club to operate in this way and subsequently they make more money. I don’t think it’s that extortionate at £25 but I think they’re missing a trick not offering a 6 game ticket at a slight discount.'"
Actually Bullseye I was referring to buying a ticket in advance from the club shop / ticket office. The process seemed agonisingly slow and involved them going next door to print out the ticket. It all seemed very "Mickey Mouse" to me, designed to save costs no doubt. As a BCFC season ticket holder it works out around £7.50 per game so you don't mind if you have to miss a few. Until this years debacle they had steadily built up the fan base to 18,000 supporters.
I think the flexi-card which the Bantams also pioneered would be a great idea.
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| Quote ="Terry Price's knee"Actually Bullseye I was referring to buying a ticket in advance from the club shop / ticket office. The process seemed agonisingly slow and involved them going next door to print out the ticket. It all seemed very "Mickey Mouse" to me, designed to save costs no doubt. '"
Sounds like that wasn't thought through properly. I'd say you're better trying to buy online if you can. Then all you need do is show the ticket on your phone.
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| We paid over the League 1 odds in 2018 as we're not a League 1 club and were aiming higher. We succeeded.
We do not aim to be a Championship club permanently. If we ever have a team strong enough to compete to get promoted into SL and not be whipping boys and bounce straight back down, then we effectively need to intensify the rebuilding process, and set our stall at having a squad which would have some sort of a chance in the lower echelons of SL. So paying average Championship prices is unlikely to be enough to pay for a top-of-the-Championship-tree level squad. Remember the last time we were in the Championship? It hasn't got significantly easier or less competitive.
It would cost you £28.50 for a ticket in the gods at the Pantomime, for comparison, and if this pricing helps avoid any more pantomimes at Odsal then I'm all for it.
Whinge all you like about the prices, its a free country, but I'm sure Chalmers has done his sums and has a battle plan, and it is what it is. I could understand it more if you feel outpriced and can't watch, but given that you can choose to pay NOTHING and the club will let you watch the game live from your armchair, protests seem a tad churlish.
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| Quote '"
Its cheaper for me and many others to watch at Batley, Dewsbury, Halifax etc. so I'll be going there and maybe 4 home games......he says
Mmmm,it's also cheaper for me to holiday in Skegness ...
You either support a team or you don't imo.
Supporting on price is just beyond me ,sorry
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Never understand this argument. Those clubs will still be in the championship, or lower in 20 years time. I'd rather pay more and actually challenge at getting back in SL. We have a lot more outgoings than those clubs (scholarship, academy, reserves, womens team)
£25 is steep, but i'd rather pay that, have no winding up peitions, unpaid wages etc and see that we're progressing as a club.'"
...and where will the 'bulls' be in 20 years? Bankrupt again? Arrogance, keep it coming. Lol!
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| What he’s saying is that he would rather pay a bit more and try to fund a team that can get us out of this division. It’s not that hard to understand
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| Quote ="Betsy Bulls"What he’s saying is that he would rather pay a bit more and try to fund a team that can get us out of this division. It’s not that hard to understand'"
I fully understand what he's saying. Arrogance.
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| It would seem our season ticket prices are at the higher end of the price scale but just about justifiable taking into account the squad we are assembling. But I don't see how anyone could really justify £25 to stand on our crumbling terraces if they could go away and pay £18/19 on the gate. Particularly early in the season when Odsal isn't exactly the most family friendly of places to be.
Let's hope the pre buy price will drop the cost to a more reasonable price point of around £21/22.
I don't really see the relevance of the cost of a panto ticket is, what is relevant is what your competition charge. I think most fans would pay a couple of quid extra to help the Bulls coffers but it has to be sensible.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"I fully understand what he's saying. Arrogance.'" Its difficult to see what is arrogant about doing your bit to try and help the club forward but maybe I don't understand the word arrogance.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"...and where will the 'bulls' be in 20 years? Bankrupt again? Arrogance, keep it coming. Lol!'"
Oh bore off. Sad. Pathetic and utterly tiresome. If you seriously can't look passed your obsession with our club and actually look at the point I'm making. It's pitiful.
Halifax are PT,theres a thread on there at the moment, comments from YOU agreeing saying unless they is serious investment you will remain in the championship. That's my point.
The OP was making a point of Fax, Batley, Dewsbury being cheaper, i was merely making the point they have all been in the championship for a long time. If we want to get back to SL we have to spend some brass and that will have to come from the fans.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"I fully understand what he's saying. Arrogance.'"
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| I thought the art of trolling was to irritate people by saying something that actually sort of makes sense. Pisspoor
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| I've been to Odsal many times, and it's not great for watching a game of RL (no cover and little atmosphere as a result). £25 entrance would break the camel's back in terms of me going to Odsal next season.
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| Quote ="Johnbulls"Yeah that's right,Wolfpack have there own agreement with Premier.The Championship comes under the Sky banner who at the moment only show the summer bash games from the Championship.Clubs are not allowed to stream there games LIVEunder the current agreement.'"
This is correct, and the rule is enforced. Two seasons ago a Toulouse supporter started streaming games on Periscope and it was nipped in the bud when the RFL found out. Fev have asked if they can show the Touluse away game live in the past and have been turned down.
I think pre-season games are still allowed, though if Bradford do that they need to make sure the fans realise it's not going to continue into the regular season.
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| Quote ="The Phantom Horseman"Quote ="Johnbulls"Yeah that's right,Wolfpack have there own agreement with Premier.The Championship comes under the Sky banner who at the moment only show the summer bash games from the Championship.Clubs are not allowed to stream there games LIVEunder the current agreement.'"
This is correct, and the rule is enforced. Two seasons ago a Toulouse supporter started streaming games on Periscope and it was nipped in the bud when the RFL found out. Fev have asked if they can show the Touluse away game live in the past and have been turned down.
I think pre-season games are still allowed, though if Bradford do that they need to make sure the fans realise it's not going to continue into the regular season.'"
Championship games will be streamed next year. More details as to what, where, when and how will be announced shortly.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"Championship games will be streamed next year. More details as to what, where, when and how will be announced shortly.
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That's a little broad brush though Mick? I mean, I know you clearly can't give away confidential stuff but "Championship games will be streamed", doesn't really mean very much in itself. That statement could equally mean just one, unspecified, game per weekend right up to, and including, all Bulls' games will be shown...
Any chance you'll be going into politics
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| Heres my thoughts on a flex ticket for any club, first you must categorize matches otherwise the 6 will be TO, TW, FEV, Widnes, Leigh and Fax. Cnt see them being used for Swinton, Rochdale, Sheffield and Barrow. Middle ground will be Batley, Dewsbury, York. Say 3 x Cat1 and 3 from rest?? Hope we, Leigh have that option
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| Quote ="maurice"Heres my thoughts on a flex ticket for any club, first you must categorize matches otherwise the 6 will be TO, TW, FEV, Widnes, Leigh and Fax. Cnt see them being used for Swinton, Rochdale, Sheffield and Barrow. Middle ground will be Batley, Dewsbury, York. Say 3 x Cat1 and 3 from rest?? Hope we, Leigh have that option'"
I can, sort of, see the logic but unless you're going to have a full, category A,B and C for all fans, including walk-ups then I don't think it will work, or be fair. If all games are the same price and capacity is not an issue, then it makes little difference to the club which games they are used for, to be honest.
Speaking personally, if some fans don't want to see certain games then it's down to them and from my perspective it's they who are missing out and it doesn't affect me or the club.
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| I agree with Bulliac
Speaking personally, the issue isn't wanting only to watch certain 'better' games. It is simply not being available to attend quite a few games, regardless of the opposition.
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