No it's not. You're pathetic. My dad says so.

Seems a bit odd that he thinks he's sidelined just by not getting picked for the first two games of a season. Did he expect to just walk into their team?

Clough was totally anonymous last night and Gaskell was caught out of position several times (as well as being nowhere that high bomb). Perhaps they'll get dropped next week as the Giants fans seem to be demanding - and they'll end up at Halifax as well?

Mind you we probably wouldn't want those two on loan

The clue was the way he referred to Halifax as the second worst team in the Championship.

I got this one wrong. Fax did go in for AOB but he confirmed today that Bradford also came in for him. Quality performance by him today on his debut, man of the match and a try. Hopefully we can have him for the rest of the season.

We don't need him now thanks. We've got Scott Moore.

Doesn't surprise me. Far too good for this division. Very consistent as well. You won't see him have a bad game

For Adam's sake I hope he gets a fair crack at SL now. He is clearly more than good enough for it and he needs game time in that division now. Another season in the Championship won't improve his game much.

His passing from acting half is spot on giving our half backs so much time today and made a massive difference. Reminds me very much of Paul Rowley.

Dunno which Giants fans you've been talking to as most of us have been very impressed with Gaskell in his 1st 2 games, probably in the top 3 players so far for us.

Your fan Jools wanted to drop him.

A low benchmark though to be fair...

Being fantastically optimistic following the Swinton result I will ask how many points did the two teams get that were relegated last year? And is it a playoff for any of the relegation places?

Whitehaven finished with 20 points after bottom 8's last year and were 2nd bottom.

I don't know about you but I think it'll take close to a miracle for us to stay up.

Your looking for at least 16 wins from 27 games. Where is Steve McQueen and that motorbike.

No longer feeling fantastically optimistic. That's another 16 victories in remaining 27 matches.

16 wins? So what are the best chances of those?

So far I'd say we have a fair chance versus Swinton (H), Dewsbury (H) and (A), Toulouse (H), Odlham (H) and (A), Rochdale (A) and Sheffield (H) and (A). That's 9 games. We might nick one of the Fax games too if they decide to play like they did at Batley. I can't see us having much joy versus the other teams.

It's going to come down to the last few games of the season in the shield competition. I can see us having to win all those games.

Whitehaven finished on 17points Although i don't think any team is as weak as Workington and Whitehaven were last season. Very tight league. At the moment we are the same amount of points away from 6th places Oldham as Batley who occupy the last safe spot.

No - Workington finished bottom after Super 8's with 15 points. Whitehaven just above them on 17.

In the regular season, we need to win at least half our matches and that will keep us within touching distance of two or three other teams down near the bottom. That, given the turmoil around pre-season and the -12 penalty, would be a huge achievement in itself.

We then have the the remaining 7 matches to stay up - entirely achievable, hopefully with the team that has developed through the season, but perhaps with some additional recruits for the last few matches.

It will be difficult - but do-able.

I'd add Batley & London at home as "winnable" That said there are absolutely no gimmes. I won't be overly shocked if we beat London at home then lose to Oldham. We have to concentrate on ourselves as i don't know which team will be towards the bottom come the split. Keep ticking the wins off. Sunday will have lifted a huge amount of pressure off the lads shoulders.

A lot depends on getting those forwards recruits, making sure we have a decent dummy half if Moore gets jail time and avoiding injury to our halfbacks.

I predict we'll spawnily win a game either against London, Fev or Batley but end up losing to Oldham or Swinton.

We need to focus on beating Toulouse on Sunday for a start...

If anything dewsbury look weaker this year. We are now five wins behind Dews and we will be playing them 3 times, win them 3 and better their other results by 2 wins and we'll catch em. Just need the wheels to fall off another team now... If all the other teams keep sharing the points around it will make it really tricky.

I reckon if we get to plus10 points after the regular season we have a shot in the playoffs, so 10 more games to win, starting on sun;
Dews h/a. Swinton h. Sheff h/a. Halifax h. Toulouse h. Oldham h/a. Rochdale a.

With some forward reinforcement, some luck with injuries l think that is a difficult ask to win that 10, but far from being impossible imho.

One game at a time, focus on Toulouse then reasses for the next challenge. Coyb.

Next six games for me are crucial:

HOME - Toulouse
AWAY - London
HOME - Batley
HOME - Dewsbury
AWAY - Oldham
HOME - Sheffield

I think we will lose this weekend. But the following five will be determined on a number of factors.

Conditions
How Phoenix and Smith integrate into the team.
Moore's Trail.

And finally the big one - the result of Toovey's visa. Hopefully will be sorted for Sun.