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| Quote ="Bull Mania"How can anyone blame Marc Green FFS! No investment!!??
In 2014 i remember going to the first game at Odsal. The place was a skeleton, no barriers, a pile of dirt on the car park. The Bulls were dead. Green stated from the off he wasn't a multi-millionaire who could bankroll the club (there aren't many about unfortunately).'"
Indeed, the characters that attempted to run things immediately before Green took over were quite a shambles. Green certainly steadied the ship. When you're selling bits of the ground for scrap to make ends meet it's desperate.
I think criticism can be levelled at him for not resolving the Ferres/Lowes situation. Obviously lots of players were being signed with no corresponding improvement on the pitch. Ferres was meant to be the RL man in this situation. Surely he could see the warning signs? He handles the day to day running of the club and would see the bills piling up and the various close shaves with HMRC. Signing players every other week wasn't helping that situation. Maybe Green should've stepped in earlier.
I hope Green has some sort of contingency plan. Otherwise we're up the creek. I'd be surprised and disappointed if he hasn't. I can live with a cut to the playing budget to make us sustainable provided there is no cut to the academy since that's the thing that can give us a future.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"
.... Ferres was meant to be the RL man in this situation. Surely he could see the warning signs? He handles the day to day running of the club and would see the bills piling up and the various close shaves with HMRC. Signing players every other week wasn't helping that situation.....
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Given Ferres chequered history in driving his previous clubs to the brink, maybe this was the first signing which should have been terminated.....
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Quote ="vbfg"One of the blokes I was speaking to on the way out mentioned something along those lines.'"
...and in fact the sixth winding up order of the last twelve months went in yesterday, twelve days after the previous one was dismissed.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2581598/
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Quote ="vbfg"One of the blokes I was speaking to on the way out mentioned something along those lines.'"
...and in fact the sixth winding up order of the last twelve months went in yesterday, twelve days after the previous one was dismissed.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2581598/
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| I posted this a while ago when our fate was still undecided, but I'll make the point again.
If Green was a shrewd businessman, and I've no reason to think otherwise, then at the start of the season he will have drawn up several budgets depending on how our season transpired.
One budget would be based on us matching last season's feat of reaching the mpg - he'd make reasonable estimates for attendances, ticket sales and central funding.
What he would also do is draw up a budget (or budgets) for us not making the mpg and ultimately finishing in any of the other final positions, adjusting the central funding gradually downwards as a result.
So, one of these budgets would presumably focus on us finishing bottom of the middle 8s (where Fev are now, basically). As I understand it, the team in this position gets £450k funding. By finishing in 5th, we only get £275k, which is a difference of £175k.
There will certainly be some discrepancies for the lower gate receipts as a result of missing out on the playoffs, but there is no way in hell Marc will have budgeted for Leeds finishing in the bottom 4 come the end of the season. So while that would have been a great money spinner, it would have been an unforeseen bonus as opposed to some income he was counting on or budgeting for.
So if he's done all of this, we're looking at a shortfall of £175k funding plus the drop in gate receipts. Let's say another £150k for that. Gives a total of £325k down on his budget.
So if we're going with a squad of about 28 next year, down from 42 this year, plus losing some big names like Gaskell, Ferguson, Clough, Addy etc. it doesn't sound [itoo[/i unreasonable to think that we might be able to patch a semi decent squad together for next year.
It will all depend on what sort of cuts those budgets factored in, and what level of reserves we've been bringing forward from 2015.
Having said all that, watch Marc come back from Ibiza and wind the company up
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What happens if they go pop?
I haven't even looked at the other scores to see if we finished fifth or sixth.
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What happens if they go pop?
I haven't even looked at the other scores to see if we finished fifth or sixth.
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| Quote ="Stul"What happens if they go pop?
I haven't even looked at the other scores to see if we finished fifth or sixth.'"
This is not unusual for us (or this league). Mark Campbell always finds a way to pay at the last minute. It's far from ideal, but that's how it is in this division.
I imagine this one will be swiftly settled with the £80,000 or so we made on Sunday.
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| Radio Yorkshire just tweeted they understand we could go into admin in next 24 hours
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| If true then we are done for, unless a big money man appears out of the very thin air we are screwed.
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| If it must die, die quickly
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| agreed. still won't go for Koucash's cash?
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| Quote ="phillgee"agreed. still won't go for Koucash's cash?'"
Nope. The world will know that I am a man of principles.
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| Looks like we'll be in league one next year. can it get any worse?
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| Quote ="David Tasker"Looks like we'll be in league one next year. can it get any worse?'"
Being a Bulls fan, it can ALWAYS get worse.
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| This Tasker character that has suddenly apeared clearly has a major Green chip on his shoulder, and it's bloody tedious.
Yes yes we all get it the buck stops at the top etc etc but that does NOT mean the problems are Green's FAULT.
He was no rugby man and had to heavily rely on others including Ferres and we are none of us happy with what that produced but as a businessman Green has been a breath of fresh air, and has slowly won I think the respect of most. As I've said many times, it seems plain to me he's also bankrolled the club, even though he has always been frank saying that he wouldn't be doing that. So I give him credit for all that.
He has been let down as much as we have, by a complicated mixture of coaching players and bad luck too, but without him we'd have been dead as a dodo anyway, instead we came within one kick of being back in SL. Let no-one forget that, whatever mistakes were made.
Anyone with half a brain would plainly know that after Sunday, we are now in the financial mire, and that is no revelation but stating the fookin obvious. Sure if we can remain the right side of solvent there may be a way to rebuild some passable top-half Championship side from the wreckage but CAN we, (my straw poll suggests ticket sales Aramgeddon), and does Green actually WANT to run a part-time struggling also-ran? I doubt it. I don't want to watch one.
So you could easily see and understand why he may feel the time is right to pull the plug. I wouldn't blame him. In charge he may have been, but he has been badly let down as have we all, yet I can't see any reason at all to say Green himself has let anybody down. On the contrary, he has done a helluva lot more than I for one was expecting.
But in short while some always have a way of looking on the bright side, I can't actually see a way out of the hole we have dug, and I'm sorry to say that. Well, there would be, but it would need a RL version of a mini-Abramovich to fund it, and that ain't gonna happen.
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| Quote ="David Tasker"Looks like we'll be in league one next year. can it get any worse?'"
Why would you be in league one?
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| [list[/list:u Quote ="Fr13daY"Being a Bulls fan, it can ALWAYS get worse.'"
the bill owed to HMRC was the biggest warning that the club was struggling but did anyone ever see a third spell in administration?
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| Why yes, only last week Gypsy Rose Petulengro at Blackpool said so
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"Given Ferres chequered history in driving his previous clubs to the brink, it's surprising the RFL foisted him on Green'"
Edited for accuracy
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| Interestingly that tweet has now been taken down
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| so has the web page claiming admin.
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| Think someone has jumped the gun
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| Quote ="broadybull87"Think someone has jumped the gun'"
Or maybe their source isn't that reliable and they could be open to legal proceedings being taken against them if it does turn out to be incorrect.
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| Sounds like Gledhill.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Sounds like Gledhill.'"
Don't be daft - Mick would have claimed that the club had already gone into administration!
(apologies Mick, I'm just joining in)
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