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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"you're right. Everyone remembers 'Shoulda taken the two,Kev!''" Exactly my thoughts.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"We had to try and square the game up with so little time on the clock, can you imagine the thread on here if we'd run it and then dropped the ball on the 2nd tackle. Everyone would have been convinced that we should have gone for goal.'"
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| Quote ="Pacific"I'm not a Bradford fan but I don't think some of you realise how lucky you are.
You have a coach who has a winning mentality, has an authentic connection to the club and would give his life to see the glory days come back again.
After a huge transition of players and taking over after threats of administration, Lowes has brought stability, secured the signatures of quality players and made you peak at the right time of the season. More importantly, he seems commited to a long term plan of progression for the club.
Both Jimmy, and you - the fans- are frustrated right now but when you put all this is perspective and realise the odds you face in getting promoted I think you'll relaise how grateful you all are to have him as your coach. He was wrong to say what he did yesterday, but there are fans who are crying out for their coaches to speak truthfully and say what they are thinking.
His rant has made the loss seem 100x worse than what it really is. Had he gone on TV and said something like "Disappointed to lose. Wakefield deserved to win. We've achieved more than most expected us to this year though. We'll learn from this and have a better chance next year". I suspect none of you would be talking about this. Think of the positives, you beat Salford convincingly and also Leigh at their place. You're in a batter position to gain promotion next year now you have experience and more settled squad.
Put things in perspective!'"
You are jimmy lowes and I claim my £5
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"you're right. Everyone remembers 'Shoulda taken the two,Kev!''"
Anyone still got the T-shirt? I thought taking the 2 was the best option TBH. I know Sir Kev wouldn't have thought twice about it. Live and learn you see. Just a pity you didn't really turn up on the day.
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| Quote ="Pacific"I'm not a Bradford fan but I don't think some of you realise how lucky you are.
You have a coach who has a winning mentality, has an authentic connection to the club and would give his life to see the glory days come back again.
After a huge transition of players and taking over after threats of administration, Lowes has brought stability, secured the signatures of quality players and made you peak at the right time of the season. More importantly, he seems commited to a long term plan of progression for the club.
Both Jimmy, and you - the fans- are frustrated right now but when you put all this is perspective and realise the odds you face in getting promoted I think you'll relaise how grateful you all are to have him as your coach. He was wrong to say what he did yesterday, but there are fans who are crying out for their coaches to speak truthfully and say what they are thinking.
His rant has made the loss seem 100x worse than what it really is. Had he gone on TV and said something like "Disappointed to lose. Wakefield deserved to win. We've achieved more than most expected us to this year though. We'll learn from this and have a better chance next year". I suspect none of you would be talking about this. Think of the positives, you beat Salford convincingly and also Leigh at their place. You're in a batter position to gain promotion next year now you have experience and more settled squad.
Put things in perspective!'"
Sorry pal with respect & I am sure you are meaning well but you don't have a clue.
Saturdays rant was the latest in a long line of embarrassing petulant outbursts. Yes every supporter wants a coach with passion and not a yes man who says what the authorities want to hear, but they don't want there coach to offer to fight them at full time either !
Have we peaked at the right time of the season ? Lost twice to Halifax, 3 second half hammerings and couldn't twice beat the worst team that super league will probably see for a long time. Not what I call peaking.
Has Lowes brought stability ? Not sure how stable the players feel when week after week they see there team mates shipped out because they had a fall out with the coach or never even got to pull a shirt on.
And finally we are definitely not in a better position to gain promotion next year. We have already heard cuts will have to be made and with Halifax strengthening, Sheffield going full time & Leigh signing who the hell they like things are most definitely gonna be a whole lot tougher next season to even reach this position, add to that Wakefield can't possibly as poor as the were this year.
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| Every so often I see posts that seriously make me question the mentality of some of the Bradford support.
Are you really surprised that Jimmy Lowes acted like he did? Jimmy has always been a volatile loose cannon. That is what endeared him to so many fans when he was here as a player. You cannot have it both ways TBH.
He is thick and he was asked the leading questions that the media people are paid to ask. They knew they would get a bite.
Great player but you would not exactly want to ask Jimmy to join your team if you were going on Eggheads now would you?
FWIW, I agree with most of what he said and whether he was out of order or not is open to peoples' opinion. Personally I would rather see a passionate outburst rather than a quiet acceptance of the situation.
And it is still nowhere near as embarrassing as asking Leeds for the points back after the Magic game.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Every so often I see posts that seriously make me question the mentality of some of the Bradford support.
Are you really surprised that Jimmy Lowes acted like he did? Jimmy has always been a volatile loose cannon. That is what endeared him to so many fans when he was here as a player. You cannot have it both ways TBH.
He is thick and he was asked the leading questions that the media people are paid to ask. They knew they would get a bite.
Great player but you would not exactly want to ask Jimmy to join your team if you were going on Eggheads now would you?
FWIW, I agree with most of what he said and whether he was out of order or not is open to peoples' opinion. Personally I would rather see a passionate outburst rather than a quiet acceptance of the situation.
And it is still nowhere near as embarrassing as asking Leeds for the points back after the Magic game.'"
Why is my mentality in question because I think Jimmy should go ?
No i'm not surprised he acted like he did, he's done it numerous times this year, and I don't want it both ways I don't want him as coach. Yes I liked him as a volatile loose cannon as a player, this is not however a good trait for a head coach. If Saturdays tantrum had been in isolation this season them fair enough but unfortunately that's not the case.
His outburst and petulance are also however not the only reason I feel its time we should part company.
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| Quote ="herr rigsby"Why is my mentality in question because I think Jimmy should go ?
No i'm not surprised he acted like he did, he's done it numerous times this year, and I don't want it both ways I don't want him as coach. Yes I liked him as a volatile loose cannon as a player, this is not however a good trait for a head coach. If Saturdays tantrum had been in isolation this season them fair enough but unfortunately that's not the case.
His outburst and petulance are also however not the only reason I feel its time we should part company.'"
I never said that your mentality is in question because you think that Jimmy should go. You have clearly misread what I have posted. I think that there are many on here that could suggest I was a bit of a hypocrite if I questioned peoples' mentality because they wanted rid of a manager TBF.
However, he is a convenient scapegoat (despite being his own worst enemy at times)
We have been a joke of a club for a long time now, long before Lowes came back to manage and probably will still be for some time to come. The damage was done by the conveyor belt of shyster, wage thiefs and hoodwinkers over the last ten years or so. McNamara was there for far too long but some of the new "sack the coach" crew seemed strangely quiet back then, probably scared off by the club mouthpieces on here that tried to censor the vitriol aimed at the right people. (Most of whom are long gone from here now thankfully)
You also again have to question why, if (as Jimmy suggested before Green contradicted him) we face financial constraints that may force us to go part-time then why we are continuing to pay the likes of Robbie Paul and the embarrassing teflon booty-licker that is Stuart Duffy?
For years we have been spun a web of lies and half-truths by some of the most shameless clowns in sport and I was shouted down for condemning them. There is no way I will condemn Lowes for telling the truth, however he put it across. Plenty on here question the RFL on a daily basis so why should we round of him when he does the same?
It is difficult to see what more Lowes really could have done IMO. If he goes then so be it. I doubt there will be too many banging at the door to replace him though.
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| We have enough enemies of the game on the outside without someone on the inside doing their job for them. He completely lacks class & makes the ape Wane appear human.
Quote ="mystic eddie" There is no way I will condemn Lowes for telling the truth, however he put it across. Plenty on here question the RFL on a daily basis so why should we round of him when he does the same?'"
But he wasn't telling the truth. His view of the decisions of the officials was wrong and his opinions of the play-offs are just that.
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| Just because he tells the truth or not it doesn't make him a good coach or indeed good for the club
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| Quote ="herr rigsby"Just because he tells the truth or not it doesn't make him a good coach or indeed good for the club'"
Again, I did not say that either. Please, if you want to be on a message board, learn to read the posts correctly.
Lowes was a duff coach before we got him. That is WHY we got him in the first place. We did not exactly have anyone beating down the door to come in. He was a cheap, convenient appointment, made to appease the fans who could not take to Cummins because he was Leeds through and through.
As I said, he is thick. Hence the meltdown. But there have been far worse within our club than him over the past few years. And remember that WE appointed him. WE knew the type of character he was. Therefore we cannot really complain about it now.
Should he go? Yes. Who would I have that is realistic? John Kear. (before I am asked)
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Again, I did not say that either. Please, if you want to be on a message board, learn to read the posts correctly.
Lowes was a duff coach before we got him. That is WHY we got him in the first place. We did not exactly have anyone beating down the door to come in. He was a cheap, convenient appointment, made to appease the fans who could not take to Cummins because he was Leeds through and through.
As I said, he is thick. Hence the meltdown. But there have been far worse within our club than him over the past few years. And remember that WE appointed him. WE knew the type of character he was. Therefore we cannot really complain about it now.
Should he go? Yes. Who would I have that is realistic? John Kear. (before I am asked)'"
Did I say you said that ? please learn to read the posts correcttly
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| Quote ="herr rigsby"Did I say you said that ? please learn to read the posts correcttly'"
It was a clear response to my post. Rubbish effort.
ps. Learn to use the quote facility.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"It was a clear response to my post. Rubbish effort.
ps. Learn to use the quote facility.'"
It was a clear statement but if it upsets you i'm sorry
ps. I don't have to
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| Quote ="herr rigsby"It was a clear statement but if it upsets you i'm sorry
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Upsets me? Get a grip.
(That is what big bad Jimmy does to you)
Incidentally, as I was often asked during Bananagate. Who would you have in to replace him?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Upsets me? Get a grip.
(That is what big bad Jimmy does to you)
Incidentally, as I was often asked during Bananagate. Who would you have in to replace him?'"
Mystic Eddie?I bet you knew Wakey were going to win on Saturday .
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| I don't see why the bloke is getting hammered, what he said was raw, emotional and was not just him whinging about how badly reffed he thought the game was but mainly his distress at the impact on his players. I don't agree with what he said, but I admire his motivation for saying it, a leader sharing his teams pain.
On the other hand, he wouldn't have given a monkeys toss about the impact of relegation on Wakefield players or the club or, for that matter, nicking the promotion place from the winners of the league.
What he said was a result of unbelievable stress, and I admire him for saying it.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Mystic Eddie?I bet you knew Wakey were going to win on Saturday
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Surely Charlie knew?
But then he is that amiable yet omnipresent portent of knowing very little (as it turns out)
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Upsets me? Get a grip.
(That is what big bad Jimmy does to you)
Incidentally, as I was often asked during Bananagate. Who would you have in to replace him?'"
Big Bad Jimmy who's he then ?
John Kear possibly, knows the players in the championship and has coached in SL
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| Quote ="Pacific"I'm not a Bradford fan but I don't think some of you realise how lucky you are.
You have a coach who has a winning mentality, has an authentic connection to the club and would give his life to see the glory days come back again.
After a huge transition of players and taking over after threats of administration, Lowes has brought stability, secured the signatures of quality players and made you peak at the right time of the season. More importantly, he seems commited to a long term plan of progression for the club.
Both Jimmy, and you - the fans- are frustrated right now but when you put all this is perspective and realise the odds you face in getting promoted I think you'll relaise how grateful you all are to have him as your coach. He was wrong to say what he did yesterday, but there are fans who are crying out for their coaches to speak truthfully and say what they are thinking.
His rant has made the loss seem 100x worse than what it really is. Had he gone on TV and said something like "Disappointed to lose. Wakefield deserved to win. We've achieved more than most expected us to this year though. We'll learn from this and have a better chance next year". I suspect none of you would be talking about this. Think of the positives, you beat Salford convincingly and also Leigh at their place. You're in a batter position to gain promotion next year now you have experience and more settled squad.
Put things in perspective!'"
Pacific, I accept you are not a Bradford fan but you would give Martin Luther King a run for his money - excellent speech, very motivational, it worked on me, thank you.
Having just heard Jimmy's rant on sky, I must agree with what mystic Eddie and a few others are saying. Jimmy, understandably was very emotional immediately after the game - how many of us weren't? Did he talk some cr@p - yes. Was he a hero when he played for us - yes. Ok so he's not been the best coach we've had - but he's not been the worse. Steve McNamara was a good player (remember him and Jez Donagher smashing each others heads open but getting back in the line with blood pouring down their faces) but he was a rubbish coach - so they gave him the England job!
If Jimmy goes - so be it - but a revolving door of half good half bad coaches is no good for anyone.
Whoever coaches us just needs to get the players to be consistent (and improve), Too many games we've seen a B-team turn up when the A-team had done a great job the week before. I don't care if the next coach is Bugs Bunny, I just want us to get a winning mentality back; and give the fans something to look forward to watching.
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| I think he deserves another year. He managed his squad sufficiently well to get us into the game that mattered and we were beaten by a Super League club. During the year he had to work out which players had the capability to do the job and to assemble a team he thought he could rely on to implement his tactics/gameplan. We weren't quite good enough but he would start another season knowing much more about his squad.
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| So you call your coach thick, then say he has fallen out with players...
mmm... I presume all of you who say these things work with the squad and coaches on a daily bases then
As for the rant, if you watched the interview with your coach on the Super League Show on Sunday night then you would have seen a measured calm response to the same questions. Sticking a camera in a losing coaches face a few minutes after the siren was only looking for car crash TV, and my god they got it.
Read Danny Lockwoods piece in today's League Weekly for a very fair assessment of the £1m Game concept.
Your entire team now have acquired really valuable experience of what this new structure requires to get promoted, and you want to throw that away. The coaches remit was to get you in this game, and then it was a lottery, your owner knew that and in reality so did all of you.
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| Quote ="8ULL5HITT4"I think he deserves another year. He managed his squad sufficiently well to get us into the game that mattered and we were beaten by a Super League club. During the year he had to work out which players had the capability to do the job and to assemble a team he thought he could rely on to implement his tactics/gameplan. We weren't quite good enough but he would start another season knowing much more about his squad.'"
He had a squad of decent, full time players. One of only 3? in the Championship. He was at a distinct advantage over the vast majority.
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| Lets get away from the emotion of Saturday. Jimmy will probably get this next year to try and do it all again. We know the guy wears his heart on his sleeve, but what you see is what you get with him, I guess we always knew that.
I just hope he has the capacity to learn from this past season, and I suppose you can lump Steve Ferres into that as well.
I hope he learns where the squad needs strengthening. That his team selections are not as baffling as they have been. His better use of O'Brien. Take a decision on Luakai, we surely can't have another season with a 20 minute prop. Get rid of the deadwood, and get us some quality halfbacks.
Wakefield and Salford will surely not be as dire next season as they have this. Leigh seem to be trying to buy their way into Super League, so it will be hard enough next year just to even make the MPG. If he doesn't learn, then he will be on his way, and we will still be in the Champioship.
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