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| Quote ="Rarebreed"From that are we to deduce that the RFL knew the circumstances way in advance of the actual hearing, but didn't allow the registration until the hearing that also involved the Mason problem.'"
No, the hearing didn't involve the mason issue. It was to sort out the Bulls' complaint that Kopczak had been tapped up illegally. The Giants denied it, and as we had no proof, the RFL found they had "no case to answer". I had always assumed that the Giants were told to make the token payment as a slap on the wrist for breaching the "gentlemens' agreement". As thewlis said, the RFL wouldn't allow the registration unless Giants paid. Privately I expect they would have been chuckling and happy to escape with a token payment and nobody would have been any the wiser had the truth not come out much later in the unconnected Mason litigation.
Quote ="Rarebreed"CK left the Bulls on 31st August and this was without being a registered Player for anyone? However "not so" this might appear. Is that right?? '"
Kopczak remained registered with the Bulls until his registration was transferred to the Giants. Just because a player walks out does not affect the fact that the club holds his registration.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No, the hearing didn't involve the mason issue. It was to sort out the Bulls' complaint that Kopczak had been tapped up illegally. The Giants denied it, and as we had no proof, the RFL found they had "no case to answer". I had always assumed that the Giants were told to make the token payment as a slap on the wrist for breaching the "gentlemens' agreement". As thewlis said, the RFL wouldn't allow the registration unless Giants paid. Privately I expect they would have been chuckling and happy to escape with a token payment and nobody would have been any the wiser had the truth not come out much later in the unconnected Mason litigation.
Kopczak remained registered with the Bulls until his registration was transferred to the Giants. Just because a player walks out does not affect the fact that the club holds his registration.'"
Much obliged, Although if a player walks out he is in breach of contract, and from what you write FA the RFL acted according to those rules, after we had lodged a complaint.
So I wonder why they registered Harris when Leeds had said he was in breach of contract, although that was a while afterwards wasn't it, a bit like the CK affair, ie everything done behind closed doors, leaving supporters bemused by the mysterious workings of Red Hall. Because as we know they wouldn't countenance Registering a player in breach of contract, so I suppose Carvell was the exception to that rule?
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| Re Harris, the Bulls produced a valid and binding player contract for registration. The Rhinos didn't have one. They claimed that they had a binding contract with Harris to come back to them and maybe they did but that is not a matter for the RFL, the only contract they are interested in is a players contract. If the contract is valid and checks out then they have no grounds to refuse to register it. They are not the proper forum to rule on other contractual disputes.
More's the pity as if the registration had been refused we wouldn't be in the cesspool we are in today.
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| Bump.
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| Green hasn't made his mind up yet.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Green hasn't made his mind up yet.'"
This despite a big announcement on the Bulls own website saying he HAD made up his mind and the club WERE going to court.
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| I think Mavis Riley is thinking about it.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"This despite a big announcement on the Bulls own website saying he HAD made up his mind and the club WERE going to court.'"
That was weeks a go. Looks like with us certain to go down he's now rethinking te decision
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"This despite a big announcement on the Bulls own website saying he HAD made up his mind and the club WERE going to court.'"
missed that one and totally exhausted after rhinos v tigers (disallowed try for crossing? What??? the ball was passed on so quickly the leeds player had no chance of making a tackle, a bit more spirit and a bit less letter please video refs) so can you please post a link to this statement please R2? thanks in anticipation etc etc
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| Nice headbutt by the king of cool kevin tho. I was thinking of doing that to a Shudds fan in the social club tomorrow, maybe not now. The beer is cheap, and in the fullness of time we will prevail.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"Shudds'"
You see, it's comments like this which gain you no sympathy.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"You see, it's comments like this which gain you no sympathy.'"
In fairness it's no more weak and tedious as Dulls, Odslum, Whinos, Stains, Bobbins, Gnats or any other "hilarious" fauxdian slip nickname.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"That was weeks a go. Looks like with us certain to go down he's now rethinking te decision'"
Yes, weeks ago they said they were definitely doing it and it was all going ahead. Yesterday they say they're still considering whether or not to go ahead. If it was the other way round, fine, but this about face way just means they shouldn't bother. If they can't get their story straight on this then they'll collapse like a paper house in a typhoon in court.
Everything that's been happening at the club over the last 2 years has driven crowds of fans away. The MD coming out and trying to put the emphasis on the remaining loyal fans to get the crowds back is a slap in the face.
Oh and I see London have signed up ANOTHER player for next year while the Bulls haven't announced signing one. All we get are "The coach would like to keep these players" or "This player wants to stay even if we go down". Vagaries and passing the buck just like we've had for the past 2 years. The more things change the more they stay the same.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"missed that one and totally exhausted after rhinos v tigers (disallowed try for crossing? What??? the ball was passed on so quickly the leeds player had no chance of making a tackle, a bit more spirit and a bit less letter please video refs) so can you please post a link to this statement please R2? thanks in anticipation etc etc'"
[url=http://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/article/9317/bulls-take-appeal-to-the-high-courtLink to the Official Bulls site and statement[/url
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I think Mavis Riley is thinking about it.
One for the older posters there....'"
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"You see, it's comments like this which gain you no sympathy.'"
apologies if I upset you Ivor
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| thanks R2. the wording of the first one was as I thought, eg "if and when proceedings are issued" near the end. so nothing guaranteed. I read yesterdays statement as an update simply to confirm that it had not been quietly dropped.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Saw her drinking tea with Rita in cartmel High St last week
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On a nice summer's day, no better way to spend a sunny afternoon than Cartmel races. Haven't actually tried their tea though if I'm honest.
In fact they have a meeting tomorrow though I'm working so no chance. But I'd recommend it highly.
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| Gentlemans agreement blah blah blah, illegal approach blah blah blah. Why does it always revert back to the Giants when someone mentions relegation or court case or points reduction. Was there a gentlemans agreement to pay all the creditors back were/are owed money by the Bradford Bulls? Then there's the OK Bulls shambles. The people responsible for the you are in are much much closer to home than Koppy or Ken Davey or the Huddersfield Giants. Its about time the Bulls fans actually accepted that Bradford Bulls or whichever name they are trading under nowadays are the ones resposible for the mess they are in and the buck stops firmly with them!!!
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"Gentlemans agreement blah blah blah, illegal approach blah blah blah. Why does it always revert back to the Giants when someone mentions relegation or court case or points reduction. Was there a gentlemans agreement to pay all the creditors back were/are owed money by the Bradford Bulls? Then there's the OK Bulls shambles. The people responsible for the poop you are in are much much closer to home than Koppy or Ken Davey or the Huddersfield Giants. Its about time the Bulls fans actually accepted that Bradford Bulls or whichever name they are trading under nowadays are the ones resposible for the mess they are in and the buck stops firmly with them!!!'"
Are you feeling guilty, because in my experience those that protest too much, have the most to hide??
Unless you know all the circumstances, please keep your nose out of our business We don't actually need your opinion or your advice we have had enough to last a lifetime. In the words of a number of famous people " We will be back!"
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| Quote ="Rarebreed"Are you feeling guilty, because in my experience those that protest too much, have the most to hide??
Unless you know all the circumstances, please keep your nose out of our business We don't actually need your opinion or your advice we have had enough to last a lifetime. In the words of a number of famous people " We will be back!"'"
When you drag my clubs name thru the mud it becomes my business. The Giants or anyone associated with them had nothing to do with the you are in, about time all Bulls fans realised this and stopped trying to pass the blame off. You may well bounce back so stick with your club and focus on them rather than looking to blame others.
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"When you drag my clubs name thru the mud it becomes my business. The Giants or anyone associated with them had nothing to do with the poop you are in, about time all Bulls fans realised this and stopped trying to pass the blame off. You may well bounce back so stick with your club and focus on them rather than looking to blame others.'"
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| Quote ="Rarebreed"Past your bedtime.'"
translated to answer to everything when dont get the answer you want to hear. night
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"When you drag my clubs name thru the mud it becomes my business. The Giants or anyone associated with them had nothing to do with the poop you are in, about time all Bulls fans realised this and stopped trying to pass the blame off. You may well bounce back so stick with your club and focus on them rather than looking to blame others.'"
There you go again, who's blamed you? Every other SL club took £100k of our central distribution share, so what makes you special? Yes we know about the Kop situation, so don't feel guilty about that. You may have paid us a token amount, due to embarrassment, but don't think anymore about it.
As for dragging your clubs name through the mud, can we also leave that to you. I can't remember anyone having a go at the Giants, you personally perhaps, but you lead with your chin, don't you?
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"Gentlemans agreement blah blah blah, illegal approach blah blah blah. Why does it always revert back to the Giants when someone mentions relegation or court case or points reduction. Was there a gentlemans agreement to pay all the creditors back were/are owed money by the Bradford Bulls? Then there's the OK Bulls shambles. The people responsible for the poop you are in are much much closer to home than Koppy or Ken Davey or the Huddersfield Giants. Its about time the Bulls fans actually accepted that Bradford Bulls or whichever name they are trading under nowadays are the ones resposible for the mess they are in and the buck stops firmly with them!!!'"
Your club illegally terminated a player's contract so that they could open enough salary cap space to allow them to illegally approach one of our players.
That's solid fact and you attempting to take the moral high ground against Bradford just makes you look incredibly stupid.
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