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| I'm not sure it's right to put all the blame Mick.
Yes, he may be better advised not to pass on all the tips he receives, though he certainly does have contacts at the club and other journalists, through working on the media. People who are genuinely involved will often have an agenda, and knowing someone with a high social media presence is a perfect opportunity for those people to disseminate any real and/or 'fake noos', which might just be passed on 'as heard' and without judgment.
Like most folk, no matter where it comes from, I'd evaluate every bit of it as either, possible, likely, who knows, not very likely, pretty much impossible. Mind, I'm still no wiser...
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| Quote ="bulls2487"I would be wary of anything Mick Gledhill says. I enjoy his commentary but we have all seen the number of times he has got things wrong in relation to the Bulls before.'"
Especially during off-field issues. With Chalmers gone he may be not as close to the club.
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| Quote ="nestegg"
2) Name the club we still owe money to for a loaned player? - As far as we are aware we have not had any loaned players for ages, and certainly not this past season.'"
Thought you were fans?
We've had Jordan Lilley, from Leeds, on loan all season and Olsi Krasniqi who played two games in mid February, and strangely on loan from Toronto. Though I confess it seems unlikely, well it does to me, that they would have loaned us another player after a farrago like the one you describe from the previous season with James Laithwaite.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Its probably worth noting that there may be some of the contracted players that are not caught up in this pension malarchy. Those players will not be able to get out of their contracts just yet.'"
You are right Greg.
Some of the players and staff may not be automatically entitled to the workplace pension contributions and associated legislation because they do not have the requisite 'employment status'.
Many of the forum seem to slag off Mick G, and yes he does have history of getting some of his facts muddled (that said who wouldn't when you have in part been Chalmers' semi-official spokesperson for the past circa 3 years. We'd say Mick G does, however, get it right more often than not.
Regardless, you may be pleased, or saddened (dependent on your Bulls view) to hear that the gamecaller has never been employed by the club, is not therefore a 'worker/ employee', As such he does not come under the workplace regulation scheme.
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| Quote ="nestegg"How many dogs are there on this sub'forum?! As a minimum we've got Mr Dog and you, Bramley Dog.
Apologies for delay getting back to you; we've been busy dealing with other issues.
in the spirit of conciliation we will answer both of your slightly oddball questions, which in all honesty have little to do with the current crisis facing the likes of honourable folk such Roger Daly's son:
1) Name the club that loaned money to the Bulls that we still owe? - The current list of creditors who are owed >£20K (which sadly is growing by the day) does not (as far as we understand) include any club that has loaned money to the club. The harsh reality is that in recent times no club would have been daft enough to have loaned money to Chalmers/ Bradford Bulls 2017 Limited (BB17). We cannot see that trend being meaningfully halted under the proposed new consortium.
2) Name the club we still owe money to for a loaned player? - As far as we are aware we have not had any loaned players for ages, and certainly not this past season. Sadly, we are a toxic brand, and other clubs are understandably wary of dealing with us. The last loanee was facilitated under a half cocked dual reg'n arrangement we had with the Wolfpacks that fell apart in mid 2018 after ex Wolves player James Laithwaite sustained a career ending injury in an away game vs the Hawks. Due to the majority of Bulls players not having medical insurance (contrary to RFL rules) we understand that poor James got royally dicked around and following a dispute between Toronto and the club a compromise deal was struck between the Wolfpacks, the Bulls and the player - for legal reasons we cannot reveal the sum involved. Do you think James L has been been paid in full?'"
Point 2. WRONG!
We had both Jordan Lilley and Colton Roach on loan deals this season.
We also had Olsi Krasniqe on dual reg from Toronto.
Id also add that even after James Laithwaites injury in 2018 , Toronto still saw fit to loan/duel reg us Jonny Pownall towards the back end of that season.
In addition the season long loans of Miley Wood and Liam Johnson from the Giants continued untill the end of the 2018 season
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Thought you were fans?
We've had Jordan Lilley, from Leeds, on loan all season and Olsi Krasniqi who played two games in mid February, and strangely on loan from Toronto. Though I confess it seems unlikely, well it does to me, that they would have loaned us another player after a farrago like the one you describe from the previous season with James Laithwaite.'"
Actually, you may be right re Lilley. Apologies - we were having a blonde moment. Jordan's arrangements are however we understand a bit unique. AND his so called loan was not set up this past season; it was the season before last.
As for Olsi. God knows why the Wolfpacks would have had any dealings with the Bulls post Laithwaite. That said, Chalmers was (and still is) a consumate salesman and he may have won Toronto around, in particular if it suited them.
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| I’m not aware of any players getting “sold”
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| Quote ="roger daly"I’m not aware of any players getting “sold”'"
What about Matty Storton and Rowan Milnes ?
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| I, for one, am certainly enjoying nestegg's contributions to this thread.
Times like this can be very hard on the fans, so a bit of comedy is very welcome.
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| Quote ="nestegg"What about Matty Storton and Rowan Milnes ?'"
Not heard anything. To be honest Elliot is on holiday at the moment so trying not to discuss too much with him, just what concerns him. Would just like him to have a stress free holiday as poss, although that’s not exactly happening
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| Quote ="RagingBull"Point 2. WRONG!
We had both Jordan Lilley and Colton Roach on loan deals this season.
We also had Olsi Krasniqe on dual reg from Toronto.
Id also add that even after James Laithwaites injury in 2018 , Toronto still saw fit to loan/duel reg us Jonny Pownall towards the back end of that season.
In addition the season long loans of Miley Wood and Liam Johnson from the Giants continued untill the end of the 2018 season'"
Well mate based on the above one of the little nestegg's has been .....
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| Quote ="nestegg"How many dogs are there on this sub'forum?! As a minimum we've got Mr Dog and you, Bramley Dog.
Apologies for delay getting back to you; we've been busy dealing with other issues.
in the spirit of conciliation we will answer both of your slightly oddball questions, which in all honesty have little to do with the current crisis facing the likes of honourable folk such Roger Daly's son:
1) Name the club that loaned money to the Bulls that we still owe? - The current list of creditors who are owed >£20K (which sadly is growing by the day) does not (as far as we understand) include any club that has loaned money to the club. The harsh reality is that in recent times no club would have been daft enough to have loaned money to Chalmers/ Bradford Bulls 2017 Limited (BB17). We cannot see that trend being meaningfully halted under the proposed new consortium.
2) Name the club we still owe money to for a loaned player? - As far as we are aware we have not had any loaned players for ages, and certainly not this past season. Sadly, we are a toxic brand, and other clubs are understandably wary of dealing with us. The last loanee was facilitated under a half cocked dual reg'n arrangement we had with the Wolfpacks that fell apart in mid 2018 after ex Wolves player James Laithwaite sustained a career ending injury in an away game vs the Hawks. Due to the majority of Bulls players not having medical insurance (contrary to RFL rules) we understand that poor James got royally dicked around and following a dispute between Toronto and the club a compromise deal was struck between the Wolfpacks, the Bulls and the player - for legal reasons we cannot reveal the sum involved. Do you think James L has been been paid in full?'"
Wrong on both counts.
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| Quote ="nestegg"VThank you. Your apology is accepted.
We note your comments. It is NOT our intention to cause harm.
We will be drip feeding evidence, but have to be careful, thus explaining the cloak and dagger stuff. There is a whole host of poop going down at the club most of which we cannot comment on because it may prejudice some enquiries. Yes, we are being somewhat evasive, but we trust you can understand why.
As for the sale of shares, it may happen this week. It may not. If it does we know c/o a reliable source (and again - like a scratched record - we presently cannot reveal our source as they are a 'whistleblower') that:
a) the consortium would include CB (as is already known), Rams owner, MS (albeit in a consulting role), and another guy, MW; who upon further enquiries does not even appear to exist - we are not kidding !;
b) in broad terms the proposed new consortium's draft business plan appears for the main part to mirror what Chalmers was doing (e.g increase season ticket sales etc), but with tighter financial controls put into place. At this stage we understand CB is going to creditors and staff one by one and trying to coerce them into doing a deal on the substantial debt that is owed. In our humble opinion that is not good or conventional business practice. Have they never heard of a CVA? That said there is without doubt a need to cut the cloth and to be fair any bunch of charlies could cut the club's (or B Bulls 2017 Limited's) losses and they could with a firm hand on the tiller conceivably stabilise the situation over the next 1-2 year period. As is likely already known the club's £175K central funding for 2020 will have already been swallowed up by debts and the pension 'admin oversight' etc., and
c) There appears to be no sight (yet) of a suitably wealthy financial backer behind the consortium.
Who is pulling the strings behind this so called consortium is for you guys (and lasses) to speculate on, but we suspect the same person has been the puppet master behind the scenes since the day AC was introduced to takeover the Bulls brand and playing licence from the ailing Marc Green's BBNL in mid to late 2016.
Other than the above we can confirm that one of the club's largest creditors is the electricity supplier who are owed in excess of £75K.
Some of what is said above may already be on social media, and if it is we apologise.
Do we have any positive news. Well CB does have a record from Wakey of helping to turn around a club's ailing fortunes. That said, it is unclear as to whether he has yet to fully grasp (or been told of) the size of the task at hand with the Bulls, and allegedly his current business plan doesn't on face value stack up to much. He also has said that he doesn't intend to have a hands on role. Well , somebody better do!
If we were betting folk (and of course MS is) then we would sadly foresee that B Bulls 2017 may sadly enter into administration within the next 2-4 months. We may be wrong, so let's hope not. And who knows there may be other major investors with significant funds on tap waiting in the wings !'"
Without even trying I can think of 12 reasons someone might want to avoid a CVA.....
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| Quote ="nestegg" As is likely already known the club's £175K central funding for 2020 will have already been swallowed up by debts and the pension 'admin oversight' etc., and
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I though 6th place was worth approx. £300k for next year, unless you mean there will be approx. £175k left after advancements?
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| Quote ="Highlander"I though 6th place was worth approx. £300k for next year, unless you mean there will be approx. £175k left after advancements?'"
Before the readjustment of funding levels 5th was worth around £250k, so £175k now for 6th sounds about right.
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| Quote ="nestegg"
b) in broad terms the proposed new consortium's draft business plan appears for the main part to mirror what Chalmers was doing (e.g increase season ticket sales etc), but with tighter financial controls put into place. At this stage we understand CB is going to creditors and staff one by one and trying to coerce them into doing a deal on the substantial debt that is owed. In our humble opinion that is not good or conventional business practice. Have they never heard of a CVA? That said there is without doubt a need to cut the cloth and to be fair any bunch of charlies could cut the club's (or B Bulls 2017 Limited's) losses and they could with a firm hand on the tiller conceivably stabilise the situation over the next 1-2 year period. '"
I would suggest that reducing stadium expenditure from reported £600k pa (rent, rates, staff, maintenance, utilities) to reported £2k per game for next year is "good business practice". And that was put in place last month....
Just need to sort out income & debts now - "any bunch of charlies could do that?" no?
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| Quote ="nestegg"Well mate based on the above one of the little nestegg's has been .....
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Proven wrong yet again?
At least Stul is right about comedy value.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Before the readjustment of funding levels 5th was worth around £250k, so £175k now for 6th sounds about right.'"
I think it's more that the top 4 in particular (wasn't it between £800 for 1st and £500k for 4th) now earn less and everyone earns much similar. Ive head around £300k for finishing 6th and there's around 15k less the lower down you go and vice versa the higher you finish. It was to stop the cliff edge of the £250k drop finishing between 4th and 5th. Whatever it is it sounds a fair chunk has already been spent so I think it will be very limited whatever it is.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Without even trying I can think of 12 reasons someone might want to avoid a CVA.....'"
Ok. You may be right. Pl educate us.
1) Kindly list the 5 most poignant reasons;
2) Discuss the other alternatives, and
3) What would you do Mr Deputy Dog ?
We reiterate ..... one of the nesteggers (who claims to be the Bulls #1 fan) has been .....
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I think it's more that the top 4 in particular (wasn't it between £800 for 1st and £500k for 4th) now earn less and everyone earns much similar. Ive head around £300k for finishing 6th and there's around 15k less the lower down you go and vice versa the higher you finish. It was to stop the cliff edge of the £250k drop finishing between 4th and 5th. Whatever it is it sounds a fair chunk has already been spent so I think it will be very limited whatever it is.'"
OOG ..... we may have got something right. Shock, horror.
OOG = Oh 'our' god.
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| Quote ="nestegg"
2) Name the club we still owe money to for a loaned player? - As far as we are aware we have not had any loaned players for ages, and certainly not this past season. Sadly, we are a toxic brand, and other clubs are understandably wary of dealing with us. The last loanee was facilitated under a half cocked dual reg'n arrangement we had with the Wolfpacks that fell apart in mid 2018 after ex Wolves player James Laithwaite sustained a career ending injury in an away game vs the Hawks. Due to the majority of Bulls players not having medical insurance (contrary to RFL rules) we understand that poor James got royally dicked around and following a dispute between Toronto and the club a compromise deal was struck between the Wolfpacks, the Bulls and the player - for legal reasons we cannot reveal the sum involved. Do you think James L has been been paid in full?'"
strange career ending injury given he's been playing most of this year for Leigh.
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| Nestegg, are you the guy on Facebook Bulls banter page that posted about a £100k bombshell dropping next week? I noticed you mentioned it earlier on in this thread on Monday evening and that post went up at a similar time? There was some emphasis on the word ‘WE’ in one of replies to the facebook post as well.
I just thought it was a bit of a coincidence and as most other people on here are questioning your credibility I thought i’d join in the fun.
Sorry if this question breaches any forum rules about keeping people’s identities anonymous etc.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I think it's more that the top 4 in particular (wasn't it between £800 for 1st and £500k for 4th) now earn less and everyone earns much similar. Ive head around £300k for finishing 6th and there's around 15k less the lower down you go and vice versa the higher you finish. It was to stop the cliff edge of the £250k drop finishing between 4th and 5th. Whatever it is it sounds a fair chunk has already been spent so I think it will be very limited whatever it is.'"
4th was around £450k and 5th £250k, that's why finishing in the top 4 made such a difference. Now all are reduced from what they were.
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| Quote ="nestegg"Well mate based on the above one of the little nestegg's has been .....
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I certainly did shoot you down.
I wasnt the first and im sure i wont be the last to highlight factaully incorrect information that you post.
Whilst i dont agree with everyone all the time on here i respect their right to have a different oppion to me.
What i wont stand for is people posting lies (like you did regarding the loan players) about things that relate to the club. So i ask again, this time less politely. Will you keep your gob shut and refrain from posting vicious vindictive lies on this forum
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| Everyone close their eyes and picture themselves sitting on a glacier mint. Don't worry about the Polar Bear I've tranquilized it. Breath in and feel the coolness and calm wash over you.
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