I'd say PSG are far more the correct level to be honest

no, i was just saying, sometimes if you post something like i did, people assume trolling!

is that some inside info there?? lol!

Somehow I think if I said I had inside info that someone was signing for PSG, I might ruin any credibility I had!

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was sculthorpe allowed to leave the bulls as long as he bought a pledge

lol

I could have told you he was garbage I can't believe you signed him he was a total waste of money for us and I won't even mention what a waste he has been for you.

Have you just copy and pasted this from the last thread about a player that once played for Wakefield?

I'm glad you laughed at that because it's absolutely pathetic.

There are many ways in which you can take the mick out of Bradford Bulls but you've failed this time.

So I was right baout you getting rid, he's moving to penrith, I cannot believe it lol! Who whould have thought!

imo i thought i tied together 2 pathetic ideas,and into one statement!
to enlighten you of my reasoning:
1:the bulls release an injury hit,but excellent player in glenn morrison,and replace him with an injury prone average player in danny sculthorpe

2:i can't understand why some fans think that as the bulls have reached their required target of 10,000 fans,each making their pledge for 2011 season tickets at £60 is deemed as a success?
how can any sl club be run on £600,000 from season ticket sales?

hence my quote that sculthorpe had to buy a pledge to be released!
you obviously think that sculthorpe was a cracking signing and that a £60 investment on your behalf was good business sense for the club then?

Give me strength.

Sculthorpe was not a replacement for Morrison. Last time I looked Morro was quota.

You and others have already been told on numerous occasions that:

1. It is only the cheapest tickets that are £60. Stand starts at £99. Concessions show far smaller reductions.

2. Achieving the pledge unlocks further income sources - not just in-ground and merchandise spend but - for example - JCT600 renewing their main sponsorship when before there was considerable doubt. In any case, we suspect there were other funding sources contingent upon the pledge target being achieved.

3. Season ticket gate receipts are only one of a club's income streams.

who did the bulls replace morrison with then?
was sculthorpe thus a luxury signing?

so what do you reckon that the income streams generated by the bulls faithful will generate to the business for as long as this pledge thing goes on for will be then?

If we try for a like for like swap in the squad, then aussie backrow called Glenn.. Morrison, left at the end of 2009 to be replaced by aussie backrow Glenn.. Hall.

My guess would be the 2nd Glenn might have cost a bit more than the 1st Glenn cap wise, but had no where near the impact of the 1st Glenn.

The closest swap for Danny might be Matt James, one squad prop who didn't play much for another, but probably just cost more. Not a luxury, more depth at prop, was Maccas plan at least, and we suffered all year in the front row as a result of Danny not being available with Hall, langley and others spelling prop and weakening the pack as a result.

You really can make yourself look very stupid sometimes.

Can you honestly not see how 10,000 fans at £60 a piece is better than 5,000 fans at £120 a piece, for example?

Or are you just on the wind up?


I seriously hope it's the latter.

10.000 fans @ £60 each = £600,000 per season
5,000 fans @ £120 each = £600,000 per season
looks the same to me pal?
only there will be twice as many fans paying half the price!
why not go one further for 2011 and try for 20,000 fans @ £30 = £600,000 per season



if you guys believe that a sl club can be run successfully and on such a low income stream which is mainly generated by only a guaranteed number of "pledge members" then imo the moment you lose the sponsor that is responsible for"topping your salary cap pot" up so significantly,you will be in trouble financially imo

i'm more concerned that you bulls fans havn't realised this yet!

I'll pretend you're not trolling.

Are you too stupid to realise there is also family tickets, students, pensioners and kids? And also that there will be alot more people buying shirts, beer, food, other merchandise etc.

i'm honestly not trolling mate
i fail to see how this idea will bring your lot back to the "top table"?
how far can £600,000 be stretched?
would my idea of making £30 season tickets available to 20,000 fans theirfor not have generated more money then?

We could also have gone for 600,000 people paying £1 each!!

Jonesy, I had to down for being a cut above the usual fekkittery that infests this board from time to time. And being in possession of at least half a brain. Maybe not quite up to the excellent Wilk's level, and way behind the outstanding Exeter, but defo well ahead of the chasing pack.

Till now.

It has been explained to the likes of you more times than I care to recall that:

1. £60 was the base terrace price. Its £99 for most of the stand, much more for the best seats.
2. More bodies in the ground means more spend on drink, food, merchandise, raffle tickets, programmes and everything else that generates income. Twice the crowd = twice the ancillary income. Speaking for myself, last year I spend more per game in the ground on "ancillary" items than I did on my seat, as did numerous others. Can't believe you missed that - you SURE someone has not hacked your account?
3. Much bigger crowds means higher sponsorship and corporate income. Why do you think JCT600 renewed their main sponsorship when, before the Pledge campaign, they were minded to reduce it? And we'll get a shedload more from Kooga and other sponsors on the back of this.
4. Much bigger crowds means its easier to attract playing and off-field personnel.
5. Much bigger crowds helps support the team on matchdays.
6. The success of the Pledge campaign has generated a HUGE amount of positive press for the club. That sort of publicity is priceless.

As for 20,000 fans at £30 (or £50 for the stand?) - what a great idea! Just imagine the massive "ancillary" income and the effect of corporate income! And the effect on visiting teams being deafened by the home crowd as 14th man. Maybe you are not as dumb as you made yourself look after all!

In all seriousness Jonesy i dont know how much an adult ground season ticket cost last year but this year it is £60 so lets say as a best guess £200

How many do you think we would have sold bearing in mind poor performances, uncertainty around half back situation, current climate, Christmas approaching etc, etc?

Lets say a hardcore 3000 at £200 each = guess what? £600k in income

As Adey points out surely you must see it is better to have 10000 at these prices than 3000 at those prices. As for a sponsor quitting and taking the 'topping up money out' you refer to, well dont you think this is less likely with the option we have gone down rather than above scenario? But as you rightly say it could happen, just seems a bit less likely now dont you think?

To be honest I think this is most likely trolling

For his benefit though, I'll bite and explain using myself as an example

I've never had a season ticket before. I just went to matches and paid at the gate.

When I've been and paid £17 or whatever and the gate, I don't usually feel like spending anything else. So I don't. I'm a on a budget, have a family, so £20 (including the stand transfer) is quite a chunk out of what I have to spare each week. As a result, that tended to be all I ever spent.

So, OK, this year - for next season - I've bought a main stand membership. That's £99, not £60. So straight away your maths is under estimating the 'take' from season tickets. If the main stand gets close to being sold out, that could be another 4000 x £39 = £156K into the pot for starters

This whole thing has generated massive buzz and feel good factor, so as a result I'm fully intending to get one of the new season shirts, probably an away shirt (because I think it looks cool) as a Christmas present from one of my kids. So there's another £40 going into the tills

Then we get to the actual Match Days themselves. By next Spring, the £99 I spent on the admission will have long been absorbed by our family budget. In fact, it basically already has been. So when I pitch up at Odsal, I'm going to be FAR more likely to buy a programme or merchandise or at the food stalls. In fact, I'm almost bound to, because it will 'feel' like I'm getting in through the gate at no cost (yes, I realise I paid earlier, but it will still feel almost like a freebie). So I'm going to be spending money inside ground.

Multiply that by 10, 300 + kids + familes + visiting fans and you've got a serious amount of cash coming in.

It's not hard to figure out if you actually apply yourself

thanks for your kind considerations adey,they're very much appreciated,and from such a respected poster as yourself too which makes it even better!
i must enlighten you to the fact that i do in fact have at least half a brain,a fact that my employers agree with and feel the need to reward me very handsomely for my work


at my club standing season tickets start at £200 for the "early bird offer"
seating prices range from £200 to £300 for the "early bird offer"
do you get the gist of what i'm trying to imply now?
by my reckoning we will probably treble your season ticket sales in monetary terms based purely on the guaranteed 10,000 tickets that you have so far sold without counting your home fans that walk up on the day throughout the season
we have regularly averaged 15,000 plus so that's another 50% on top potentially if you don't


couldn't agree more mate,i too spend far more on merchandise than i do for even my much more expensively priced season ticket,
just imagine another 15,000 fans thinking the same!




i'm not surprised at their reaction either,afterall would you support a dwindling ship and offer them big sponsorship?



so basically speaking here adey,would you not agree with me here and say that this "pledge" was offered to fans due to the fact that the club was on it's ar53 financially and needed to get bodies back on the terraces not only to improve season ticket and merchandice sales at the club but also to keep those sponsors happy that we're still willing to put their money in?
for how many seasons will this "pledge" last for?
or havn't you all been informed yet?

Jonesy, its disingenuous to selectively quote from what someone said, and even more so when you try to move the argument away from the one you were initially pedalling once you were shown up for a fool in so doing. You know it, I know it, and all those reading this forum know it. Its the last refuge of the fekkwìt troll, and I'm disappointed in you for resorting to it.

Every man and his dog knows the whole point of the pledge was to arrest, and dramatically revert, the serious decline in attendances. With all that that entailed. That provides the funding. the support and - maybe most importantly - the confidence and self-belief to give the team a realistic chance on the park next season. It has worked, and most informed and unbiased commentators see it as an incredible achievement and a bold gamble that paid off.

Troll on if it amuses you, but I'm very disappointed in you. I really thought you were better than that.