It must be said that the economic cycle isn't in its best position for investment, for business in general and in particular for retail. We had our chance with 'Superdome' but it was 'called in' and the investment disappeared like a rabbit down its hole. There are a few fans a good bit more wealthy than I am but none I can think of with the kind of money to fund a new ground.

If the takeover is completed soon then maybe we'll find out more but I can see 'due diligence' taking a good while if new problems continue coming out of the woodwork. Let's hope it's cleared up before we're due to kick off in Dewsbury.....or we may not be going.

(Very large) Company appointed fund manager managed (had a few changes over the years including Black Rock, Hargreaves Lansdowne and Aegon). Pretty sure the funds aren't available to the 'general public', I've certainly not been able to source them for the missus. In the 12 years I've been in has done extremely well.......if only I'd invested more



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It's called LoadofBoloxPensionFund managed by former BlackRock Pension fund Manager Mr Bullter-TheDog'sBolox

'We' think you are full of bulls hit. Please leave your business card at the door.

Sir Ken is pumping in the cash

.... well that's no good. We want a decent rugby league stadium, not a bloody supermarket lol

One earlier forum member (Mr Hot Dog) mentioned that a new stadium, or a revamped Odsal is la la land. As always ur entitled to ur opinion, but can we say 2 things, the first somewhat whimsically and the second a more serious comment and proposal:

1) La la land did after all win many Oscars, and
2) If you want to meet with us to review our ideas then let us know. Same applies to other members. It can be arranged in the next week or so.

Nah you're orite.

Mick saying we are selling players to pay off debts so new owners no players sounds great how the hell will that work

We weren't inviting you mate; we were meant to be principally extending the offer to Mr Dog.

Anyhow, folk seem to want to know who 'we' are, and we are willing to meet some of you. Some of us should be known to you. And given recent and ongoing events you may be relieved to hear that none of us are New Zealanders.

I have messaged you but no reply???

Been in meetings all day mate.

We did have a mob # contact for you from you know who, but out of respect we deleted it.

So, could you kindly send us your mob # via PM and one of us will call you. Let us know a couple of dates and times when is good to call you.

When we speak we can tell you about two more alleged crimes that have just been unearthed and brought to our attention. Sadly, and despite what some forum skeptics may say, we are not exaggerating, but as we are not from the authorities (or the CPS) then it's for others to consider how to investigate such new allegations.

Cheers

I’ll give it a miss then...

V

Thank you. Your apology is accepted.

We note your comments. It is NOT our intention to cause harm.

We will be drip feeding evidence, but have to be careful, thus explaining the cloak and dagger stuff. There is a whole host of going down at the club most of which we cannot comment on because it may prejudice some enquiries. Yes, we are being somewhat evasive, but we trust you can understand why.

As for the sale of shares, it may happen this week. It may not. If it does we know c/o a reliable source (and again - like a scratched record - we presently cannot reveal our source as they are a 'whistleblower') that:

a) the consortium would include CB (as is already known), Rams owner, MS (albeit in a consulting role), and another guy, MW; who upon further enquiries does not even appear to exist - we are not kidding !;

b) in broad terms the proposed new consortium's draft business plan appears for the main part to mirror what Chalmers was doing (e.g increase season ticket sales etc), but with tighter financial controls put into place. At this stage we understand CB is going to creditors and staff one by one and trying to coerce them into doing a deal on the substantial debt that is owed. In our humble opinion that is not good or conventional business practice. Have they never heard of a CVA? That said there is without doubt a need to cut the cloth and to be fair any bunch of charlies could cut the club's (or B Bulls 2017 Limited's) losses and they could with a firm hand on the tiller conceivably stabilise the situation over the next 1-2 year period. As is likely already known the club's £175K central funding for 2020 will have already been swallowed up by debts and the pension 'admin oversight' etc., and

c) There appears to be no sight (yet) of a suitably wealthy financial backer behind the consortium.

Who is pulling the strings behind this so called consortium is for you guys (and lasses) to speculate on, but we suspect the same person has been the puppet master behind the scenes since the day AC was introduced to takeover the Bulls brand and playing licence from the ailing Marc Green's BBNL in mid to late 2016.

Other than the above we can confirm that one of the club's largest creditors is the electricity supplier who are owed in excess of £75K.

Some of what is said above may already be on social media, and if it is we apologise.

Do we have any positive news. Well CB does have a record from Wakey of helping to turn around a club's ailing fortunes. That said, it is unclear as to whether he has yet to fully grasp (or been told of) the size of the task at hand with the Bulls, and allegedly his current business plan doesn't on face value stack up to much. He also has said that he doesn't intend to have a hands on role. Well , somebody better do!

If we were betting folk (and of course MS is) then we would sadly foresee that B Bulls 2017 may sadly enter into administration within the next 2-4 months. We may be wrong, so let's hope not. And who knows there may be other major investors with significant funds on tap waiting in the wings !

Name the club that loaned money to the Bulls that we still owe.
Name the club we still owe money to for a loaned player

St Helens

Who reckons Peter Hood reads these forums?

Peter Hood may read this unfortunately he wasn’t very good at counting.

The alternative sounds like it will be admin 4 and starting on minus 12 with with nk first team players and our best young players leaving for free.

That can’t be right. No one will pay money. They’ll just wait until they can pick them up for free. And if that isn’t right, how much else of what he is saying is accurate?

Who are the information sources?
Chalmers? Not likely
RFL - they’ll be trying to avoid damaging Bulls further whilst a buying is available
The new buyer - same as RFL
Council - not their area of interest
Agent - his purpose is to get the best deal for his players, so if he needs to get them out of Bulls then he needs the Bulls to go into admin or stay disorganised so remember his focus when you read/listen to his information
Players - mixture- some will have other deals lined up so need the same as the agent, some will have no other options so need the same as the new buyer
Everyone has spin/ an angle

If I can give anyone one piece of advice to follow at a time like this, it's probably best to not believe anything that comes from Mick Gledhill. Or even bother reading it in the first place.

Agreed.

We have 2 groups of players at the min. One group whos contract expire on 30th November, at which point they are free agents.

The other is the group that are contracted for next year.

Both groups of players seem able to terminate their contracts (as 3 already have done) based on the non payment of pension monies owed, so why would any club be looking to pay transfere fees for players they can get for nothing before any take over is completed.

That just doesnt add up to me.

I would be wary of anything Mick Gledhill says. I enjoy his commentary but we have all seen the number of times he has got things wrong in relation to the Bulls before.

How many dogs are there on this sub'forum?! As a minimum we've got Mr Dog and you, Bramley Dog.

Apologies for delay getting back to you; we've been busy dealing with other issues.

in the spirit of conciliation we will answer both of your slightly oddball questions, which in all honesty have little to do with the current crisis facing the likes of honourable folk such Roger Daly's son:

1) Name the club that loaned money to the Bulls that we still owe? - The current list of creditors who are owed >£20K (which sadly is growing by the day) does not (as far as we understand) include any club that has loaned money to the club. The harsh reality is that in recent times no club would have been daft enough to have loaned money to Chalmers/ Bradford Bulls 2017 Limited (BB17). We cannot see that trend being meaningfully halted under the proposed new consortium.

2) Name the club we still owe money to for a loaned player? - As far as we are aware we have not had any loaned players for ages, and certainly not this past season. Sadly, we are a toxic brand, and other clubs are understandably wary of dealing with us. The last loanee was facilitated under a half cocked dual reg'n arrangement we had with the Wolfpacks that fell apart in mid 2018 after ex Wolves player James Laithwaite sustained a career ending injury in an away game vs the Hawks. Due to the majority of Bulls players not having medical insurance (contrary to RFL rules) we understand that poor James got royally dicked around and following a dispute between Toronto and the club a compromise deal was struck between the Wolfpacks, the Bulls and the player - for legal reasons we cannot reveal the sum involved. Do you think James L has been been paid in full?

Its probably worth noting that there may be some of the contracted players that are not caught up in this pension malarchy. Those players will not be able to get out of their contracts just yet.