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| I think people are reading into this what the journo wants you to read.
There's no actual quote from Naughton saying that he's fallen out with Cummins.
The lad has ability and confidence, and tbh if there are players in the academy who DON'T share his "I want to play in the first team" attitude then really, you have to wonder what they're doing here. He showed what he could be capable of in his debut with Bradford against what was a deplete Huddersfield but it was certainly a strong showing from the lad.
It was reported that he left because his family was moving down under and the amount he was getting playing for Bradford was not enough to support him on his own and that Bradford were not willing to break their salary scale to accommodate him.
But now they're saying it's down to a falling out? Doesn't quite ring true. If he was unhappy at Bradford he could easily put in a request to leave. His frustration at not getting any more game time last year is understandable. We had a fair few injuries so there was at least the option of giving him a debut earlier but it didn't happen.
But it's not like he's playing 1st grade down under either.
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| Quote ="Bulls Boy 2011"Baldwinson gone to NZ Warriors.'"
And Mason Tonks,they go next week
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| That's the one, couldn't remember his name haha!
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| I was disappointed when we lost him. I am not now. Cummins is the coach not an arrogant 18 year old. Kids want everything now and some just won't work hard through their apprenticeship. He should have looked at Kearney and worked his socks off so that in a couple of years when Kearney possibly calls it a day with us he is there to step in at a still young age of 20. He is a good prospect but I remember watching a young lad called Mumby who forced the coach to pick him without saying a word out of turn. This kid needs to grow up if he wants respect. And, getting a contract down under doesn't prove you are top class - Warrancy!!!!
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| Tbh, I'm happy with Frannys supposed management style. No player is bigger than the coach. And as somebody said before we want a Head Coach, not a friend to the players.
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| I think itās a shame that some players feel the need to sound off about the club theyāve left. Thereās no need for it, it doesnāt do any good for them and makes them look a bit bitter. Better to keep you trap shut and concentrate on the future, itās a classier approach and more professional.
If there is truth in what heās saying about nobody communicating with him about why he wasnāt getting a chance Iād find that very surprising. Anyone watching him could see that although he looked very good in attack he was rather less accomplished defensively. Heād certainly have been targeted had he played first team more often and I suspect he wasnāt being picked in order to protect him rather than some sort of vindictiveness on the part of Cummins. I remember Robbie Paul thinking he was ready for 1st team before he was and he admits as much in his book. Perhaps Naughton needed someone to have a word like Robbie?
Thereās been a lack of āwinning cultureā at the club for a number of years and I wonder if Cummins is trying to sharpen things up. Thatās likely to have some casualties, Whitehead being one. The challenge for Cummins is to try to get players to buy into his methods and make a break from the past rather than cut them if they donāt buy in. Like others Iāve heard rumours about disagreements with the likes of LāEstrange, Sammut and Bateman but this sort of thing will always happen occasionally. I just hope the loss of Naughton isnāt just the tip of the iceberg. I guess weāll see how motivated players are when the season starts.
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| Quote ="Bullseye" Better to keep you trap shut and concentrate on the future, itās a classier approach and more professional..'"
Think that sage advice holds true in every walk of life, even on RAB!
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| The T and A used to run a piece a week on a player telling us how a certain ex-coach was brilliant and how it was the players fault for going away from the game plan.. blah blah.
Naughton wasn't picked because the coach didn't pick him - end of.
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| There are few SL players who make their debut at 18 and even fewer who get regular football. I thought he was a good prospect and am still disappointed that he's not going to develop in our system, but if the story in the paper is accurate, it seems he has an attitude problem, which, for his sake, I hope he loses quickly.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I think itās a shame that some players feel the need to sound off about the club theyāve left. Thereās no need for it, it doesnāt do any good for them and makes them look a bit bitter. Better to keep you trap shut and concentrate on the future, itās a classier approach and more professional.
If there is truth in what heās saying about nobody communicating with him about why he wasnāt getting a chance Iād find that very surprising. Anyone watching him could see that although he looked very good in attack he was rather less accomplished defensively. Heād certainly have been targeted had he played first team more often and I suspect he wasnāt being picked in order to protect him rather than some sort of vindictiveness on the part of Cummins. I remember Robbie Paul thinking he was ready for 1st team before he was and he admits as much in his book. Perhaps Naughton needed someone to have a word like Robbie?
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Couldn't agree more. Although it has softened the blow of losing what appeared from the terraces to be a young player with potential. A reminder also that a head coach factors in many other things as well as playing ability such as attitude in training (even when not playing 1st team rugby). But hopefully he goes on to make a success of his stint in Oz once his feet are planted back on planet earth.
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| Curt left for a number of reasons; when he refers to not playing when he should of been, he is talking about Rochdale and the numerous times part time players were asked to be 18th man before him and ultimately making debut before him, without not one word of explanation. Also not being allowed to go to the rams despite constantly being told he wasn't good enough for first grade. In addition; constantly being lied to about wages and being told he wasn't worth more than the Ā£10,000 he was on per year. John handed his transfer request in ages ago when RHP publicly called him a liar re wages when he was right. Don't expect this to be the last person in the current squad who doesn't ever play for bulls again.
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| Quote ="moleymolemole"Curt left for a number of reasons; when he refers to not playing when he should of been, he is talking about Rochdale and the numerous times part time players were asked to be 18th man before him and ultimately making debut before him, without not one word of explanation. Also not being allowed to go to the rams despite constantly being told he wasn't good enough for first grade. In addition; constantly being lied to about wages and being told he wasn't worth more than the Ā£10,000 he was on per year. John handed his transfer request in ages ago when RHP publicly called him a liar re wages when he was right. Don't expect this to be the last person in the current squad who doesn't ever play for bulls again.'"
Hmm.
At least you'll keep the board interesting.
I know John and Robbie had some arguments about wages, but it was about the standing order charges in particular. This was enhanced when in the second month some were paid on time and some weren't.
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| Quote ="moleymolemole"Curt left for a number of reasons; when he refers to not playing when he should of been, he is talking about Rochdale and the numerous times part time players were asked to be 18th man before him and ultimately making debut before him, without not one word of explanation. Also not being allowed to go to the rams despite constantly being told he wasn't good enough for first grade. In addition; constantly being lied to about wages and being told he wasn't worth more than the Ā£10,000 he was on per year. John handed his transfer request in ages ago when RHP publicly called him a liar re wages when he was right. Don't expect this to be the last person in the current squad who doesn't ever play for bulls again.'"
Moley with this been your 1st post on here and at this particular time I reckon you know a thing or two about goings on,and things still to happen
Care to share,we are a nice group on here
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| It doesn't surprise me that the Roosters have signed Curtis. He may be arrogant, but he is a talented player. He isn't good enough for first grade matches yet in the NRL, but in a couple of years he'll be a lot closer.
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| Hope he has more patience with the Roosters when he's playing in the reserves for another few years.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Hope he has more patience with the Roosters when he's playing in the reserves for another few years.'"
He's excited to play in the 'Holden Cup' next year....Is that second team? Obviously miles above SL level. He seems like a silly wee laddy who cant wait for his turn to come. The article in the T&A was pure childishness!
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| Quote ="ifallwerelikemumby"Trouble is will he start badmouthing Trent Robinson when he doesn`t drop Minicello?
Why does he have to start badmouthing and say the story re his mother was a scam!!
I hope I`m wrong because he was a good prospect but I think he could be trouble and upset other players. Just watched the Slammin Sam video, I think he ought to watch it and see what not only a great player Sam is but also how he conducts himself.'"
Totally agree. Can't see him playing NRL for a fair few seasons at least.
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| You've got to remember he only just turned 19. Give him two more years of development - both physically and mentally - and he'll be ready. I keep using Shaul at Hull as an example of a quality fullback not making the 1st team until they turn 21.
Curtis will now be coached and conditioned at the current reigning NRL champions, there is pretty much no better place for him to develop. He will be a cracking prospect in a few years time, which is why it's so upsetting to hear that he left our club under a cloud.
If he had left with our best wishes and with fond memories of the club then I'd be optimistic about seeing him in a Bulls shirt again one day. Unfortunately after all that's gone on, I can't see that happening now, which is a damn shame.
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| Let them go, they are prospects and decent players at the best. It's not like we are losing a Sam Burgess or a Leon Pryce is it? If they don't want to be part of the professional hard working culture that FC is striving to set in place then I for one don't want them to be here. Now more than ever players like James Donno, Adam O'B, Tom Olbison and Danny Addy are important to us. These are hard working loyal players that we all want, not some show boat local big bollokks that believe their own hype.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Let them go, they are prospects and decent players at the best. It's not like we are losing a Sam Burgess or a Leon Pryce is it? If they don't want to be part of the professional hard working culture that FC is striving to set in place then I for one don't want them to be here. Now more than ever players like James Donno, Adam O'B, Tom Olbison and Danny Addy are important to us. These are hard working loyal players that we all want, not some show boat local big bollokks that believe their own hype.'" Not to be a dick but the bit in bold may only last for so long. It seems no-one is immune to pulling a surprise from out of the bag.
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| Quote ="hindle xiii"Not to be a dick but the bit in bold may only last for so long. It seems no-one is immune to pulling a surprise from out of the bag.'"
We shouldn't forget the malign influence of agents whispering in their earholes either..It's no wonder that young lads get their heads turned.
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| Quote ="BullCharge"It doesn't surprise me that the Roosters have signed Curtis. He may be arrogant, but he is a talented player. He isn't good enough for first grade matches yet in the NRL, but in a couple of years he'll be a lot closer.'"
I look forward to seeing him play for Newtown in the NSW Cup. With another Englishman heading there.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"We shouldn't forget the malign influence of agents whispering in their earholes either..It's no wonder that young lads get their heads turned.'"
Both Bateman and Whitehead had the same agent I think - does he represent anyone else at the Bulls?
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| Short answer from me is 'haven't a clue'.
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