John Lang would be a very good coach. Would get the respect from the players, has vast experiance and has won the NRL with Penrith.

IMO that argument is a load of tosh. So whats the course of action we just let things get even worse just because the new man might do no better even though the incumbent has shown he's not up to the job.

Who's the guy? Why have you so little confidence that a fair argument can be made that he will do better?

Agreed but it's wrong at the moment and needs to change

Because the last two and a half season suggests he can't.

Let me ask you a question and lets have a proper answer.

What gives you the thought that he can do better and how long do we wait if he can't.

Do you think McNamara is the only reason for our decline?

He's the biggest reason.

Can't you understand that we are building the future. It doesn't matter where we are on the table anymore, what matters is we are building a future.

It doesn't matter that the players are not performing like they should, but they will one day, you just need to keep the faith.I mean who wants to be world champions and S/L champions anyway, that's boring rugby.

No one could understand why Warrington had a great team on paper but never produced the results. Then one day someone at Warrington said, 'Hey this spell of bad luck could be down to Cullen, who says we get rid? ' Then one magical morning, Warrington work up and found Smith as their new coach. This confused the players for a week, but then things started to change and they started climbing up the table.


One day someone will wake up at Bradford and do the same, the problem is, we don't know how deep a coma they are in, so fingers crossed




I mean it could be worse we could end up in the play offs and have to play an extra game.

Not solely but he's a big influence.

2007.

Games in and amongst this year.

The widespread respect he is held in within the game.

Is that enough to fend off Brian McDermott if he was interested? Perhaps not. And Lang to (fair play to 6I6 for sticking his head above the parapet there). But are they interested?

X - Steve Folkes.

Y - Because he's a better coach than Macca.

Very Experienced, Disciplinarian, Proven Winner, Fine Record of bringing youth through, Good contacts.

How's that?

Of course we could just keep Macca and continue the way we are going though?
Hows that sound?

I agree he has to take a fair chunk of the blame. I just got the impression Iestyn saw him as pretty much the only reason.

Putting other reasons aside, surely for a club who (as confirmed by Hood)are spending close to the Salary Cap it would be reasonable to expect a top 4 finish?

A huge turnover of quality players will have an impact and possibly make the difference between being consistantly in the top four and winning SL but at the end of the day we are spending probably close to Leeds and Saints and not anywhere near them.

I didnt personally expect Silverware for 2-3 years given the upheaval at the club but i expected us to rebuild in a structured manner by bringing in quality proven players and developing the academy. The Cap should have allowed us to do this, which leads me to think we are operating drastically under the Salary Cap.

Perhaps a few years ago. A lot more than 4 SL clubs are spending the full cap nowadays. I feel we could have expected to make the play offs as a minimum with the players we have.

So lets forget about the 25 games we've lost since then shall we.
Sorry but the rest of the season easily wipes them out and haven't Salford beaten Saints and Leeds this year.
By who and how much longer can he live off it.
Definitely not.
I think you'd be surprised how many coaches would be intrested. Plus I've been mentioning Folkes for well over a year now and you no it.

Maybe that's where the name "People's Team" comes from?

Brian Mac just lost his third match of the season to Huddersfield. I don't think that makes him a bad coach, but there's plenty on here that would if it happened to another Mac.

Would Folkes come? You think he would. I wonder.

Sorry but Quins aren't meant to be in the same class as us so that point isn't valid.
I don't do you.

Quite. We are a class below Quins.

To add to that, in an attempt to address some of the naivity the salary cap question inspires, here is an extract from something I posted elsewhere:

"...Add in too the caution not to assume that the salary cap represents the total of what the players at a club receive, or is directly comparable between clubs. It depends also very much on things like the proportion of a player's package (especially overseas ones) which a club thinks it can justify in paying in non-PAYEable form, and the ability of a player (cos it can't be the club...) to secure payment for his image rights from an "unconnected" third party. And that assumes every club has been making complete and accurate salary cap declarations, of course. Some of these matters are subject to current investigation by HMRC and the RFL, and while certain clubs are seemingly pretty worried, I have it on strong authority that Bulls are not amongst them. Maybe that has some bearing on comparing squads between clubs? - whatever."

That was part of a wider post commenting on a thread started by the Gledster on the club's seeming decline. Remember my point from before, that you can secure a better-quality squad if you can find ways to pay players more of their total package tax free (or if they can secure image rights etc earnings from outside the club). But I did go on to conclude:

"That said, its still hard to see how any of the above explains the repeated capitulations in defence we have seen time after time this year. You just sit and wait for it to happen - and that against Cas was totally and utterly unacceptable and I for one have totally lost patience with it now."

I can't comment on today - I did not go - but from what has been written, its sounds like I'd have no reason to say anything any different.

No. He is a joke.

Get him out, he is a disgrace. Sorry, he is a fu**ing disgrace. Just look where we are in the table. No one can defend that!!!

The evidence would suggest that he is not doing a good job but he surely has not coached the players to drop a ball from the kick off, to pass forwards, to drop it, to miss tackles. Has he? Its the players who seem to be effing things up, is that down to Mac?

Arguments for:
I'm sure by now everyone knows the AF position which is that we can't replace McNamara in case the incoming coach is worse. This is of course will always be the case no matter what happens, as things can always get worse, but if we never make that change we can never know, so essentially the argument is circuitous.

The second but connected argument is that no-one of any quality would want the job, but once again if we take that seriously we wouldn't get rid of McN and we'd never know if that were the case. The other difficulty with this argument is that both Tony Smith and Nathan Brown have taken over struggling/under performing teams during McN's tenure and have improved them enormously. So whilst we don't know if either of these coaches would have come to the Bulls we do know that coaches have been available that would have likely made a significant improvement.

The third argument is that McN is doing something (usually poorly specified) to 're-build' the club and that this will yield some future benefits. However given his lack of success with the team he has currently built this also seems unlikely.

A fourth argument concerns finances, which are all a little opaque, however it is apparent that declining attendances and the possibility of reduced revenue from sponsors because of a lack of success might contribute as much to a worsening of our financial position as any costs involved in removing McNamara.

I would have loved him to be successful, particularly as a young british coach, but that hasn't happened and the time has come.

ive got a lot of time for macca and theres no doubting how much he wants the club to succeed so ill never be over critical about him because he's giving it his all. unfortunatly his all isnt good enough i think he should step aside for the good of the club we need a fresh start