Whilst it is important we consider a reasonable offer for EW the new owners must send a clear message to any player at the club that they expect a contract to be honoured. If a player wishes to break that contract then the deal has to suit us as well as the player.

They managed to get Ryan McGoldrick

Put it this way you won't be getting anywhere near the £125000 fee agreed with Salford from the frogs, if I was khan I'd make the decision for him and take what's best for Bradford.

You may not have noticed but slavery was abolished in this country a century or two back. We CAN'T make the decision for him. The player has to agree personal terms with any club he goes to. Don't know why you're worried as according to you on the Salford forum last night he'd definitely 100% agreed to sign

We can accept the fee but its then up to the buying club in this case Salford, to agree conditions with the player.

Same with football you can sell a player to any tom, dick or harry, but if the player does not want to go to one of those clubs your back to square one, well now we have player whos agent though thought there would be an abundance of clubs just waiting to snap him up however this does not seem to be the case.

So Andy Clark

Dont think EW refusing to train or play for us has done him the world of good either, if i had just handed in a transfer request i would still want to play and would give it my all to prove how valuable i am to a team, if he did that he may have had some suitors.

AFAIK Whitehead hasn't refused to play or train. It was clubs decision to stand him down.

Yes I get the whole player agreeing terms business but say Catalans didn't match Bradfords estimate forhim they could make him finish his contract playing for tethe reserves or a championship club, because hhe's under contract Bradford have the power'

As I broke on here hours before it became public last night he isn't going anywhere! He's had a rethink, and Catalan won't meet the asking price - Talks with Franny tomorrow aimed at a face saver for all parties.

Elliot to apologise, Bulls will say they are committed to taking the club back to the top everyone has a cuddle and we forget the whole thing ever happened.

He's been slowly mending fences with team mates all week, played golf with 'leaders' today.

Watch this space.....

we have the power to make him see out his contract in reserves, But that's no use to us as we end up paying his wage for remainder on his contract for nothing. We don't have the power to force him to move to a club who agree a transfer fee. Deal has to be agreeable to both whitehead and the club.

Ah get you know, i though he did mat i stand corrected though in you superior wisdom

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Think that idea has been mooted before Red we could and should be able to send him to play for Dewsbury, but not sure if he refuses would he be in breach of his contract as i would really doubt it would stipulate he only plays SL rugby.

Could see that happening after he said no to salford Frank, no one else was willing to pay the fee he was stuck in limbo.

Anyone recon the Fat Dogs can think us up a song for EW?????

That's strange because Elliots agent is busy discussing personal terms with Catalans according to sporting life.

AFAIK moment player refuses to do something that's covered by his contract then he's in breach. At that point we don't have pay his wage anymore but do retain his registration preventing him from playing for anyone else until someone pays a transfer fee. Pretty certain theres been a couple of cases like this in past.

Sounds like Salfords offer has given Catalans a nudge though. being reported on sporting life that their discussing personal terms with whitehead. They know we wont release him without a fee/player swap so doubt theyd bother discussing personal terms unless they were serious about offering something.

Couldnt remember if he had refused or not to play/train or play for Dews, if a player swap is on the cards who would we like?

Dunno, not very familiar with Catalans players. They do seem to have plenty of big props/2nd rowers (which is why it seems a bit strange that their after whitehead).

Reading sporting life it is due to Fakir leaving to go to either KR or wakey, but they have also signed Garcia who is a 2nd row from Brisbane.

Get us Menzies if he fancies another crack at it, dont think he is as loved in france as he was here.

with very little thinking, you could easily turn the traditional "what's the score" chant into:

Elliot: Not top 4
Elliot, Elliot: Not top 4

Franny is doing the right thing leaving him with the academy, we cant just have players signing deals and thinking they can get out of them scotch free just because they asked. Pay up or let him rot.

Swap?

Escare would doicon_smile.gif))

I don't think he should be allowed to play with the academy. I think he should be on gardening leave indefinitely. The removal of the use of any club facility should be employed against him. He doesn't want to be at the club, fine, go off and train independently of the club.

In the absence of any other knowledge (i.e. he is a bad egg, causing problems etc) I don't understand why he is not in the picture at the Bulls and certainly why people are saying he shouldn't even be around the club.
I don't follow many players on Twitter but I get the impression he is still pally with a few.
He is a good player, yeah his defence needs work but he is one of our better forwards and we are paying him, we have a small squad, we need everyone we can get.
You maybe don't see it in rugby as much, but plenty of players ask for transfers in football and play as they always have until they move on, or in some instances, stay.
The ones that go on strike and start slagging people off, then yeah more often than not they are kept out of the way.
He has seemingly told the truth, he wants to leave to better himself, not for financial reasons (turned down Salford's money). Plenty of players sign for other clubs (and even play against them) in the season before they leave and carry on playing for their current club. If I'm going for interviews and looking for another job, my current employer doesn't make me go and make the tea or stay at home. Addy has turned down his contract supposedly, is he going to be left out? Lulia?
Some people forget that as emotional it is to us fans, sport is their job. I respected Fielden for saying when he left us for Wigan - "I couldn't turn down that kind of money!", he was honest and deserved that kind of money after his performances for us.
If he is a bad egg, causing unrest, or we really think we can get some (much needed) big money for him very soon, so are keeping him from getting injured then yeah keep him out of the way.. but if not, play him.. he is being paid to and he does a good job.

I can agree with you pretty much. Remember when Darryl Clark handed in a transfer request at Cas? He was told to forget it, in no uncertain terms. He carried on playing for the first team, with no apparent effects to overall team morale or performance.
He's still at the club now, and while there is some speculation about his future once this season is over, for the time being he is staying put.

I do wonder what our stance would have been if Elliott played in a position where we had zero cover, or was a pivotal member of the team in the same vein as Clark at Cas. As it is, we actually have ample cover at 2nd row and were even able to turn Elliott's omission into something of a positive by bringing in Oliver Roberts who, by all accounts, had a fine first team debut at Saints t'other week.

Fielden was completely different, we had his best years by a mile, he was so good for us that he owed us nothing, and we got an absolute monster deal out of it.

And he agreed to sign for the bottom club, (lol) purely for money, which is also the reverse of what we are told Whiteheads aims are and he's turned down the bottom club.

Whitehead isn't doing anything he doesn't 'owe 'us'
As far as we know, he hasn't said that he won't play, he is doing exactly what he owes us. While I would rather him be happy and want to become a top player with us, it's his perogative to look elsewhere, it's a free country, as long as he fulfils any commitments fully to us until such a time occurs.
Fielden's situation wasn't all that different, most presumed he still had good years ahead of him too, just didn't work out that way. He still decided he wanted to move on part way through a contract.
I just wondered why we have stopped him playing and some don't want him around the club altogether? Is there something more to it?

Could be any number of reasons why we've stopped Whitehead playing with us.

Maybe there's a disagreement, perhaps FC doesn't want a discontented EW hanging around. Could be understandable if there's an "atmosphere". FC may want only people who are 100% committed around. Maybe EW's fallen out with other squad members? Speculate away!