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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"O dear, what a shame; a club's supporters getting upset because their club could be excluded from the top division because of unfair treatment by the RFL.
Now where have I heard that before?
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| Every other club in super league is £650,000 a year better off from central funding than us for this year and next.
If any club says they don't want bulls in super league,remember you are 50k a year better off for this year and next simply cos the bulls are still in super league
Only the RFL could preside over a farce like this
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"I think we are definitely in the frame to finish bottom 2 next year. Let's be honest, if we hadn't over performed in the first part of the season, we'd be down there now on current form.
Unfortunately we are now currently weaker than the likes of Wakefield and Widnes, whilst Salford are likely to be much better next year than they are presently. It looks like any two from London, Castleford and ourselves - and I wouldn't be surprised to see London make a huge effort to improve their squad for next season.
Without a doubt, the 50% Sky money is going to badly affect us next year. Being asked to compete with teams that not only twice as much Sky money, but also a slice of our money is immoral IMO - I just don't see how the RFL and SL can even pretend that it is a level playing field
Worrying times...'"
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| States in T&A we will be spending full salary cap next year, even though we are been robbed of half the sky money again
Happy with new signings so far, I have every faith we will do well next year
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Ryan Whitcut saying the Bulls will spend the full salary cap and look for a squad between 30 and 34 which is great but it doesn't feel like the message we're getting from FC.
Didn't something similar happen last year whereby the club said we'd spend the cap and then FC pretty much said he'd spent up?
This isn't a complaint, I think Carvell and Ferguson are quality additions. It's just unclear and if we're going to have a squad of 34, FC needs to sign 12-15. Sounds unlikely.
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Ryan Whitcut saying the Bulls will spend the full salary cap and look for a squad between 30 and 34 which is great but it doesn't feel like the message we're getting from FC.
Didn't something similar happen last year whereby the club said we'd spend the cap and then FC pretty much said he'd spent up?
This isn't a complaint, I think Carvell and Ferguson are quality additions. It's just unclear and if we're going to have a squad of 34, FC needs to sign 12-15. Sounds unlikely.
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| If thats the case we need to sign up all our OOC players plus more besides, cant see it happening TBH. As we are set to lose Addy and Langers for starters.
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| I think we have to spend the full cap for next season even without the Sky backing. It is going to be make or break next season and if we end up in the bottom 2 next year it will have a massive effect on the team so if you don't spend the money now then it could be worthless spending after you have already gone down.
At the moment I think we will be fighting to avoid the drop next year with Cas and London, the others seem to strong to end up in the bottom 2 without seeing the recruitment yet! But I also think KR might struggle next season, Dobson and Patterson will be hard to replace and they, like us, struggle with money it would seem
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| It will be interesting to see how clubs in the bottom half of the table approach next season. There must be a temptation to concentrate on winning games against other clubs in the bottom half rather than trying to make the play offs. I can see a few half strength teams being sent to places like Wigan & Warry in order to save the troops for more winnable games.
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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"O dear, what a shame; a club's supporters getting upset because their club could be excluded from the top division because of unfair treatment by the RFL.
Now where have I heard that before?
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From me and I was ridiculed for the suggestion.
What is a greater worry is the level of competence of the officials - they could soon see a team off.
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| BTW did you all notice how OK got a few more bob in the kitty by having the SL clubs meeting in the Coral Stand?
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| Quote ="Nothus"It will simply be the two clubs at the bottom of the table come the end of next season.
To expect us to just carry on with over £500k less funding than everyone else in the league, in such a crucial season for the future of the club, is a complete and utter farce tbh.
It's like Omar said near the start of this season, the SL clubs and their chairmen are just selfish, caring only for the survival of their own side - even to the detriment of the entire sport so it seems. Nobody gives a flying f*ck about anyone but themselves, clearly. They would all sooner take that extra £50k a year than see us given a fair shot.'"
From the T&A
Quote At yesterday’s meeting, general manager Ryan Whitcut urged the 13 other clubs to relent and allow the Bulls the missing cash as opposed to it being carved up by the rest of Super League for the second year running.
His plea fell on deaf ears'"
The ironic thing is, whilst we won't get the £600,000 during the season, we WILL get £500,000 if we are relegated!
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| Exactly FA,the lunatics have really taken over
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| Quote ="Bulls4"I think we have to spend the full cap for next season even without the Sky backing. It is going to be make or break next season and if we end up in the bottom 2 next year it will have a massive effect on the team so if you don't spend the money now then it could be worthless spending after you have already gone down.
At the moment I think we will be fighting to avoid the drop next year with Cas and London.
Sorry to say it but I don`t think we will be fighting London, IMO they are already safe, no matter where they finish, Sky won`t let them drop out I believe.
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| Quote ="roger daly":ijnz3h68Exactly FA,the lunatics have really taken over'" anyway. It hardly matters to them who goes out - the cost is the same.
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| I think the RFL will be trying to get their ludicrous idea of 2 x12s,then 3 x8s in place
Have you seen what funding each set of 8 gets,now that really is lunacy
Clubs will be going to the wall very soon
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Not sure why it's lunacy from the RFL's perspective, won't they be paying the 'parachute' money out to two clubs [whoever they are anyway. It hardly matters to them who goes out - the cost is the same.'"
Not at all, the RFL know exactly why they need Bradford in the comp, that's one of the reasons we are still in the comp. Eg replace the Bulls with Sheffield - who are top of the Championship, yet drew a crowd of 841 last week - and see how much money [ithat[/i costs the comp over the season. I don't know how many of those paid what, but just for example if you averaged that @ £10 a speccy, that is £8410 x 11 = gate income of £92,510 for a whole 12 team season. Not counting that U16s are free, and many of the 841 would be season ticket holders and others would be OAPS etc paying significantly less. Last time they were in SL except when Leeds or Bradford were in town, they were basically declaring gates bet. 2500 - 3000 - with many gates that happened to be a perfectly round figure, which often happened to be 3000. It didn't work then (Huddersfield-Sheffield, anyone?) and it won't work now.
BTW just to avoid any doubt, I'm not arguing against them, or anyone, being promoted by the rules if the rules are changed. I'm just debunking the theory that from the RFL's perspective it "hardly matters" - little could be further from the truth.
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| Logically none of the other clubs will want to level the playing field financially and give us a better chance of surviving at the expense of their own club. I would not expect anything else if we were in their position. As long as nobody will get preferential treatment and it is decided on the field that is all we can ask.
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| Somebody posted on T&A website what Sky will say if London finish in bottom 2 next year, will they insist they stay in the top flight. Lets hope the RFL have consulted Sky about this before just doing it then finding out Sky say no
Could be another Peter Hood selling the lease on Odsal to the RFL then the bank calling in the overdraft cos we then had no assets to secure
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| Quote ="roger daly"Somebody posted on T&A website what Sky will say if London finish in bottom 2 next year, will they insist they stay in the top flight. Lets hope the RFL have consulted Sky about this before just doing it then finding out Sky say no
Could be another Peter Hood selling the lease on Odsal to the RFL then the bank calling in the overdraft cos we then had no assets to secure'"
Brian Carney, employed by Sky and speaking on Sky, seemed quite lukewarm about the need for a London club. Perhaps Sky have finally decided after 17 years of SL that it just isn't going to work at a professional level in the capital? They don't seem to show that many London games these days.
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| Don't show many of ours either,but yes I know what you mean
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| Quote ="M@islebugs"www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10539761.Bradford_Bulls_must_avoid_bottom_two_finish_next_season/
Ryan Whitcut saying the Bulls will spend the full salary cap and look for a squad between 30 and 34 which is great but it doesn't feel like the message we're getting from FC.
Didn't something similar happen last year whereby the club said we'd spend the cap and then FC pretty much said he'd spent up?
This isn't a complaint, I think Carvell and Ferguson are quality additions. It's just unclear and if we're going to have a squad of 34, FC needs to sign 12-15. Sounds unlikely.'"
Bear in mind that's he's almost certainly including o'brien,naughton,wood, Roberts, Mellor and conroy in his 30-34 man squad who probably don't have ten SL games between them. So in reality were looking at a 22-28 squad of SL level players. If we get to upper end of that then its probably ok but if we're at lower end of that then well struggle again when injuries strike unless young lads really break through.
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| There should be no one 'safe' from relegation so that it's a level playing field.
Except it isn't a level playing field, because we have half as much Sky money as everyone else.
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| Quote ="mat":1dny8nzgBear in mind that's he's almost certainly including o'brien,naughton,wood, Roberts, Mellor and conroy in his 30-34 man squad who probably don't have ten SL games between them. So in reality were looking at a 22-28 squad of SL level players. If we get to upper end of that then its probably ok but if we're at lower end of that then well struggle again when injuries strike unless young lads really break through.'" of the middle ground British players who are available. In a short pithy sentence, we get less bang for our buck.
It's pretty obvious that a club with reduced income is going to suffer more than others, of course.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Logically none of the other clubs will want to level the playing field financially and give us a better chance of surviving at the expense of their own club. I would not expect anything else if we were in their position. As long as nobody will get preferential treatment and it is decided on the field that is all we can ask.'"
But all the other clubs [iare[/i getting preferential treatment; we're £600K down and they're all around £50K up. At least they're not claiming "we're all in it together"..
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| Quote ="Cibaman"Brian Carney, employed by Sky and speaking on Sky, seemed quite lukewarm about the need for a London club. Perhaps Sky have finally decided after 17 years of SL that it just isn't going to work at a professional level in the capital? They don't seem to show that many London games these days.'"
It's hard to say just what influence Sky have over the RFL. Maybe also we shouldn't assume that Sky presenters are always speaking on behalf of management. The two Sky bods on Backchat were together in saying it was unfair that we should be on half money in such an important season as the one coming up, but hey-ho, exactly what did they ratify the very next day..
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