I'd imagine something like that would be held for a big pre-season press release rather than just a throw away bit

It would make Steve Ferres look like a bit of a chump though, after he's just been quoted saying we're at 2700.
Still, stranger things have happened I suppose. Time will tell.

Flip side to factoring in concessions is you also have to factor in that a lot of season tickets will be for seats in stand which cost more than the £230 cost for adult standing.

Just wondering if the Coral Stand seating would count towards the total attendance available and if it does is it your missing 2000ish tickets.

That big fans forum before Xmas - was it £2.7m was quoted as being the running costs?

May be simplistic, but I took from that forum that it was roughly 1/3rds for each sector.

£900k from central funding/tv money
£900k from sponsorship, merchandising, corporate
£900k from ticket sales. So 4k tickets at between £220 -£280 covers that.

I think we'll hit all the targets by our first home game.

Well, the link I attached did include spaces in the Coral Stand which I did count.

You're actually missing a whole section of fans. Those many people who haven't renewed at the higher prices, that are more than likely to pay on the gate, on an 'as as when' basis. We shouldn't forget that the higher cost of season passes makes that option a far more viable option for lots of folk who maybe can't make it every week - let alone the fact that the upfront cost is not even going to be an option for the many who are unemployed, on minimum wage or on zero hours contracts. At the end of the day it's also going to be how many turn up and not just how many STs are sold.

That all being the case, I still think that the club are aiming for and have budgeted for at least a 4k average home crowd. We're not going to be getting the occasional spikes we'd get in SL for games such as Leeds etc so the more guaranteed sales the club generates, the better position they'll be in

Well, being the boring sod that I am, counting up the available spaces on that link today, we've sold another 10. Getting closer to that 5k mark

To be honest Roofy, I'll be pretty pigged off if we don't get above 4k as an average attendance.

My view is, yeah the STs are the 'bedrock' but the upfront cost is maybe too high. Of course, I know instalments options are available, but even that needs a confidence that the money is going to be to hand when required and I'd guess there are plenty who can't/don't want to make that commitment. Hence I'm guessing/hoping the pay on the gate crowd will be fairly strong.

3004 sold according to twitter

A couple of points mentioned by Marc Green tonight. Apparently 4k season tickets was not a break even marker, and with twow eeks left we've just surpassed 3k sold.
Also something we totally forgot about earlier when trying to put some figures together is the bulls lottery - 5000 members each paying at least £1 per week generates the club another £250k in revenue for the year.

Well it's a decent number given we've been relegated and the price increase. Plus there's still 2 weeks before our first home game and I suppose that game will give us a fair idea of what we can expect on a weekly basis crowd-wise

That's a great lottery, no cost to run and no prizes to win

I was talking in turnover, not net profit

And of those 3k sold, 12% have been bought by people who haven't had a season ticket in the last 2seasons.

On the point of profit and loss - are we to assume the matchday magazine, or programme to the rest of us, was losing money? Sales weren't actually mentioned and, to be fair, whilst it was on good quality paper and had plenty of editorial stuff, at £3 a pop I'd have thought it added, rather than detracted, to the finances. Clearly not the case..

You can buy a great one for £2.50 at Leigh on the 15th

I would imagine that the value to sponsors and advertisers would go up significantly by increasing distribution. Maybe they see that as the more reliable revenue stream.

That is a very fair point and if true, it's maybe more strange that other clubs haven't come to the same conclusion. Possibly our new management is in front of the curve!!

No doubt I'll avail myself of a copy. I guess £2.50 was the price last year....that's not always any guarantee it will be the same this time round!!

I've personally always looked at the programme as one of those things that looks great and obviously a lot of time goes into it, but in reality is probably only bought by people who either collect them, do it out of tradition, or a casual fan who doesn't go very often. I myself have missed about 1 game a season for the last 15 years and I've still only ever bought about 3 programmes.

They don't really have enough in there to interest the normal fan IMO, certainly not to the tune of the same price as a pint. If the printing costs are significantly less for the paper, and the advertising revenue is higher (which I expect it would be), then I wouldn't be surprised at all if it worked out better financially. They'll certainly get the free paper out to a lot more fans than they got the programme out to, as everyone will be happy to take one when it's free. Nothing us Yorkshire folk like more than a freebie.

Whether it works or not, time will tell. It's no doubt a gamble, but one I wouldn't be that surprised to see pay off.

If you go on your own I suppose it's something to read but usually I read it back at home as you don't get the opportunity at the game. Well, that and I usually forget my glasses..

Similarly with away games, most of the reading is done on the coach coming home. Strangely, my reading glasses are part of the ritual for going away but not for home games

So it's a free newspaper rather than a glossy programme.

Be interesting to hear your opinion of it afterwards as I know a lot of effort goes into its production