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| Surely you're not suggesting that a team may "Park the Bus" half way through the season and have a spending spree & 2nd Pre-Season?
Why didn't the Bulls think of that or Leigh.... Oh yes, they were actually competing right until the final round and ensuring the credibility of the game.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Q. Mr Green, you do realise that Eddie is barking don't you?'"
It was ever so slightly tongue in cheek really. I was worried that I was being a bit too sensible.
However, it surely must be concerning for the owners that even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see our deficiencies yet the management team seem unable to.
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| I would ask if it was wise to take a loan from RL at start of 2015 against 2016 funds in order to fund the 2015 squad in an attempt to guarantee SL for 2016. This will now result in less money for 2016 season and possible part time squad. Should not the club try to live within its means from season to season. Would also ask how much funding is been taken up by employing Ferris and Paul , surely one man can do both jobs. Final question is did he sanction Lee Smith signing with him becoming the highest paid player on the books
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| I've asked...
[iThere is a growing number of supporters who are increasingly becoming concerned and frustrated at the petulant and stubborn behaviour displayed by our Head Coach James Lowes, particularly when speaking with the press. This added to a number of players departing mysteriously with many rumours of behind the scenes fall outs and favouritism towards players many fans perceive as not adding much value to the team, my question is… is this really the right man to lead the club back to Super League?[/i
Be interesting to see if any question marks over the way Lowes has coached this season will be addressed.
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| Quote ="bullinenemyland"I've asked...
[iThere is a growing number of supporters who are increasingly becoming concerned and frustrated at the petulant and stubborn behaviour displayed by our Head Coach James Lowes, particularly when speaking with the press. This added to a number of players departing mysteriously with many rumours of behind the scenes fall outs and favouritism towards players many fans perceive as not adding much value to the team, my question is… is this really the right man to lead the club back to Super League?[/i
Be interesting to see if any question marks over the way Lowes has coached this season will be addressed.'"
Clearly Lowes is NOT the right man to lead us, like Corbyn is not the right man for Labour. However, there is not a flurry of better candidates out there.
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| Unless we could tempt smith away from wakefield. To the best of my knowledge he has not yet signed a new contract.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"I would ask if it was wise to take a loan from RL at start of 2015 against 2016 funds in order to fund the 2015 squad in an attempt to guarantee SL for 2016. This will now result in less money for 2016 season and possible part time squad. Should not the club try to live within its means from season to season. Would also ask how much funding is been taken up by employing Ferris and Paul , surely one man can do both jobs. Final question is did he sanction Lee Smith signing with him becoming the highest paid player on the books'"
It has long been my opinion that this season was do or die. I don't mean that literally as I'm sure the club can survive in the Championship but it certainly means the end of our Super League ambitions. It was a hell of a gamble to throw everything at it especially with Lowes in charge. I would ask Mr Green whether he thinks we have a hope in hell in 2016.
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| I think top four is within our capabilities next year. However I would expect 3 or 4 and I think the gap between SL and Championship to be wider.
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| Can't believe no one has suggested to ask how much the cloth has been accordingly cut.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"I think top four is within our capabilities next year. However I would expect 3 or 4 and I think the gap between SL and Championship to be wider.'"
A tad pessimistic?
I can see a good argument why Leigh would finish top next season, but what reason would there be for us not to come home in 2nd as we did this season?
The only other full-time teams are either useless (London) or entirely unproven (Sheffield). I suppose there's Halifax, but we ought to be able to best them over the course of a season with our current squad.
I do agree about the gap between SL and Championship widening (unless Koukash takes his money and Salford implode, which is not beyond the realms...)
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| How come you were at the game on Saturday?
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"A tad pessimistic?
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We haven't got a scrum half or backup. And not sure we will keep AOB or Gaskell or both. Gaskell may have said he will see his contract out but with a year to run he is a saleable asset and finances could force us to sell.
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| What happened to Karl Davies?
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| If it is true we are after Lee Smith maybe we are looking at Mullaney at SH.
As far as Having a go at Robbie someone may put me right but I am fairly certain he is there purely as marketting director and has no say in team matters. The club does actually do very well with sponsorship and I would think he is easily paying for himself in a very important job.
I don't think Ferres and Robbies job could easily be integrated into one. For me it is Ferres who could feel unsafe as I think a good head coach and assistant should be in charge of all recruitment with the help of the chap (forgotten name) who runs the junior set up.
Ferres is probably there though more as a right hand man / adviser to Mr Green as Green is inexperienced.
If Ferres and Robbie wasn't there Green would have to depend on Jimmy and his calm and emotionless reasoning. How many people think that is the best solution.
Whatever happens in the background it all comes down to the basics of choosing the right group of players and coaching them properly. If that happens we could have Coco the clown working in the office.
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| I always got the feeling that the RFL had been involved in Ferres appointment. One of those types of deals where Mark Green got the club but the RFL only gave their blessing once they put someone in that they could trust/influence.
I have a feeling it'll be years before we can shake off the strings that the RFL have attached to us.
The other matter of course is that a deal for the ground was supposedly nearing completion. I wonder if that'll be announced at the end of season ball.
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| Quote ="Highlander"I always got the feeling that the RFL had been involved in Ferres appointment. One of those types of deals where Mark Green got the club but the RFL only gave their blessing once they put someone in that they could trust/influence.
I have a feeling it'll be years before we can shake off the strings that the RFL have attached to us.
The other matter of course is that a deal for the ground was supposedly nearing completion. I wonder if that'll be announced at the end of season ball.'"
It could also be thought that, maybe Marc wanted to get involved but realised he didn't really have enough knowledge to run a rugby club, so he went to a guy he knew who did? MG is a businessman first and foremost, so you'd expect him to do something like that.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"We haven't got a scrum half or backup. And not sure we will keep AOB or Gaskell or both. Gaskell may have said he will see his contract out but with a year to run he is a saleable asset and finances could force us to sell.'"
See this is the bit I never get. because it never works, not unless you are content to be condemned to be a permanent lower-leagues club, and to use your best players as a cash cow.
For many smaller clubs, that's the reality and they want to do well, but know they can never really become a player. So they accept that, and so do their fans. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, as long as a club has ambitions within its realistic grasp. If you think about it, in both RL and soccer, there are whole divisions of clubs, both inside and outside the main leagues, where their bands of fans are happy and are not so stupid as to think that they can ever make the top grade, much less compete in it.
For us, though, that would require a major re-think, and a decision never to be a major force again. It is hard to stay near the top, but so far we have managed it. Our 2015 crowds were still amongst the best in the game. But if we choose to step down a level and become a permanent low-budget low-aspiration selling club then that would be it for me. Not because I have anything against the many (majority) of sports clubs who do not have any choice but to be that, but precisely because we do have that choice. My attitude is the Bulls have to go hell-for-leather for SL. However ambitious that is. No club can forever be an always successful club, all will have thin times. But I won't accept accepting failure.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark" But I won't accept accepting failure.'"
Says the guy who for years has blindly supported the very people and managers that have gotten us into this position?
I find this a frankly baffling comment from you FA (and please spare me the lecture from the law-books, this is a rugby forum, not a Court of Law) because you were one of the most vociferous voices in support of the club when we were being sold down the river by people without our interests at heart.
You have accepted failure for years and only now it becomes an issue?
Perhaps if more was done long ago then we would not be in this mess, but we are where we are, largely thanks to the people who you defended at the time and tried to censor me for speaking out about.
Not that you will accept that of course.
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| This is bound to go well.....
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"This is bound to go well.....'"
I am going to check in regularly for the showdown FA Vs ME.
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| This is shaping up to be tastier than the Grand Final.
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| There will be no showdown, or at least not on what ME has put so far, as sadly he is using his normal tactic of making huge and sweeping generalized claims, vague to the point of scotch mist, plus self-aggrandising inventions based on his long-standing persecution delusion, all of which are just plain unsubstantiated bollox.
Arguing with him when he is in this absurd mode is like playing chess with a pigeon.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"There will be no showdown, or at least not on what ME has put so far, as sadly he is using his normal tactic of making huge and sweeping generalized claims, vague to the point of scotch mist, plus self-aggrandising inventions based on his long-standing persecution delusion, all of which are just plain unsubstantiated bollox.
Arguing with him when he is in this absurd mode is like playing chess with a pigeon.'"
Which, roughly translated for those of you who have not swallowed a dictionary this morning means.....
"Yep, you got me there ME, but I have no answer so I will twist it back onto you as always."
Goodness knows how many times I have shown you up for being a complete hypocrite but that post really took the biscuit. You will not accept "accepting failure" will you not?
In that case you had better edit practically each and every post you have made since McNamara was in charge. Because you, my friend, have been accepting failure for years now and suddenly the light has gone on and you seem a bit surprised.
You may well be good at mesmerising people with your fancy words and language, but that still does not mean that you have the first clue about RL.
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| It would be nice if we could just pretend to get on, but since we seem to have forgotten the topic and fallen into internecine warfare it seems a good place to bring the curtain down..
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