Yeah the only one to bust a tackle all game and scored 50% of the tries. Absolute garbage!

You can bet youre life Langley will have been in the top 3 for tackles, carries and metres. He missed a few tackles and dropped a few passes, but the Bulls are a hell of a lot worse when he is not on the field. Just a bad day at the office.

People want to criticise a few more that are consistently bad, i.e, Kearney, Hargreaves and Scruton, all three are a waste of space and money.

He isn't tough enough.

How about now having a scapegoat and just getting behind the team and all the players instead ??

That might be a start !!!

Why not have this strange concept of the team giving us something to get behind.

Is there no sign that Burgess will develop into a quality prop capable of more than a few minutes? I thought people said he had some good games last year. I seem to remember Paul Anderson was seen as basically a big useless lump after a while at Leeds, who got rid of him and then he actually developed into a far better player than expected. Having said that, I do think that props can be too big - extra size doesn;t make up for lack of mobility or stamina.

Langley had a poor game but he never hid, he kept plugging away despite the dropped passes and the missed tackles. Some other forwards like Hargreaves and Scruton were just as conspicuous by the lack of impact. Scruton has struggled with injury and illness but really needs to re-capture past form and Hargreaves is just doing nothing. They need to improve, and quick.

Langley didn't have a great game but wasn't on his own by any means. The pack need to start showing some agression and laying a platform. The backs look stronger this year but we won't see them do anything until the forwards get on top.

The scary thing is that we are supposed to be up to the salary cap and when I look across our squad I am struggling to find a 'class' player that stands out. At the minute there just isn't one. Hopefully yesterday was a blip but how many times have we heard that over the recent years?

So scoring a try makes up for the 90% of utter dross he served up. Statements like that is why we are where we are. Someone scores a try and some fans think he has had a good game. HE was awful in defence.

I don't care if he has the most carries in the game, it's what you do with the ball and every set of six Langley runs straight into the markers. If thats a good player then god help us. Just get some homeless guy to do that and offer a pound every time he runs the ball in. He'll have about the same impact Langley did yesterday.

What annoys me most is that he will be in the team every week. He has been made un-dropable by the choaching no matter how bad he plays

I am certainly not one of these fans who gets on the back of the players and moans at everything. I am a pretty optimistic fans. But when half the crowd are cherering when he is substitued says it all.

Some may call it scapegoats, others will call it picking out players no doing there job.

Scruton & Hargreaves can go into that catergory and Burgess needs some time on the tread mill as he looks very unfit.

Well am sure he will unfortunately get injured again soon so i guess that solves the problem....

I am reluctant to give him such a hard time. Granted he didnt tackle well but other than Sammut, koppy and maybe kear not too many did much either!

Most importantly it was only the first game in bad conditions with numerous injuries against a very strong Catalan side that could be top 3 imo! Cas next week is the real test. They are a team we need to beat if we want the top 8! COYB!!

Langley was poor by his standards but he's coming back from a nightmare period of injuries and needs time. It's odd there's a thread such as this when Ian Sibbitt made 13 metres from 3 carries.

THe Dragons had a very good pre season despite some injuries, they were up to speed and the Bulls were not going to match them, the Hull hit out showed that. From a distance it was an expected result, but if they are still underperforming by early March it will be a long season! There will be a couple of key issues to address that will help, first as I've said in another post in the Teams mental fragility on the pitch not having confidence in themselves and each other, not wanting to make a mistake which is making them make mistakes. The second issue is keeping injuries down to a manageable level and not having so many mid to long term ones, its happening more because the Team is playing lopsided and a few players having to try a lot harder to make up for it tends to cause injuries to happen unnecessarily. Also harking back to a Wayne Bennett quote "the first battle to win is between your ears" Thats crucially one the Team is losing at present!
Hard as it is a present you have to believe (not hope) it will come right, but it will take time

Fancy those dastardly Dragons getting up to speed for the first game, tantamount to cheating.

And according to Mick Potter seasoned professionals don't need loads of preseason games to be ready to go. . .after watching that shower at the weekend I beg to differ

If your'e referring to his comments at the forum, I agree, I also thought that was a strange thing to say and maybe I'd misunderstood, but, he seemed to imply that they'd use the first couple of games to get up to speed.

As Leeds showed last season it's how you finish that counts & it's a long season. Time will tell.

That's all very well, your guys won, but I'm getting sick and tired of watching us chasing a game in the second half when the penny finally drops that we're in the poop.

Please accept my appologies, thought you were a Cas fan.

I agree it was not Langley's best game for us but he was not alone. In defence a decent 13 in attack his try illustrated where we miss for me - anyone with decent hands would have passed to purtill or kear it worked out ok but highlights to me that it is not his strength. Main thing is he stayed injury free and give him a bit of a run and he does improve, was certainly not the only dissapointing player on the field, I want him defending over with purtill and kear as the other side of the pitch seemed stronger.
hargreaves has not improved for me and I find it amazing that joseph who has had a fantastic trial and seemed ok against both super league opposition is out for him...... not scapegoating just see him as a clearer option and somone who may break the line... scruton is coming back from injury and kopczak is clearly the top prop at moment.
Sibbit was his chance to shine and unfortunatly shouted I only want to be a squad player when everyone is fit, which we know he is going to be but went behind donno and bateman for me today,langley,elima, whitehead prob first choice for back row and them with olbison,addy and walker all vying for back row he is going to have to a little more for me.
I thought both heath and disko had quiet games for them so hope for me is it was just a game we didnt turn up for.

Short and sweet. We are a lot better off with Langley in the side than without.

Remember when Langley was proof that the next generation of Bulls would be just as good?

remember when he was a ball playing loose forward that captained england academy and looked like being a stand out player?

Sorry, I thought that you thought that I was a Leeds fan. Phew.

That's how I read it aswell! Thought oh no he'll send his "driver" round to sort him out!