Well, you can please yourself mate - but if people come on here just to have a pop then they can have a pop back.

Just a note to say again that I know of no such standard clause in contracts and have never seen one. Which is not to deny they will of course occasionally exist, but whenever this has previously come up, nobody has ever been able to back up the claim that it is some "standard clause". It's therefore not. The standard clause thing is just a myth.

I imagine now that P&R are back it might well suddenly start appearing, or something like it, in new or renewed contracts going forward but that would be a change.

Dunno, FA. Urban myth or not, there has to be some kind of work through to cover the fact that A) a club is only allowed one overseas player in the lower divisions and may well have three or four under contract at the end of a SL season and B) the sum of the contracts is almost certainly going to break the Championship cap by a significant margin.

Incidentally, my argument all along has been that P&R is no more back next year than it was under licensing - though relegation is certainly on the agenda at the end of this season - and even under big, bad, evil licensing there was the occasional club brought through...a situation I can't truthfully foresee under the latest incarnation.

P&R will exist in the same sense as the possibility that I may take a months holiday in the Bahamas or buy a new 'Roller' or private jet: that is to say whilst all of that is legally possible under the law of the land, it is purely a notional concept which, not to put too fine a point on it, just isn't going to happen. I may, or more likely may not, be proved wrong on that but it is my very firm opinion.

You don't think... the RFL... haven't thought the implications through, at all? What a shock that would be. They're normally so on-the-ball.

Contracts at Super League clubs are for Super League only

Based on what?

If you play in SL2 (next season), is this still not classed as a super league contract?

To be honest FA, I thought that, on relegation, as the club was obviously unable to service them, the SL contracts became null and void on relegation. It must be said there are varying views on this though..

I only mention it as I've never seen such a "SL only" contract nor do I know anyone who has, nor can I find a specimen of some "model" specimen SL-only contract and so I was wondering where people have got this notion from. If people can actually point to specific cases where these exist then fair enough, but it's just that, to date, nobody seems able to do so. Which seems odd.

I've never seen a rugby contract of any kind to be honest FA, though I've heard the words 'standard SL contract' bandied about, but given the impossibility of a contract with an ex-SL club having any actual value, it just seems, sort of logical, which yeah, fair enough should be enough to rule it out, I suppose.

Without double checking,I'm pretty sure my lads contract states it's a super league contract .As Davey states relegation would put us into Super League 2 so no doubt a rule regarding contracts will be introduced

I assumed it was just a standard Rugby league contract related to the club, but just had a special clause in it to cover players leaving if relegated

This is the thing, plenty of people seem to assume, but I can't find anything to back the assumption up so I doubt it.

Any new rules introduced by the RFL/SLE now would not, of course, apply retrospectively to existing contracts. Same as any contract, they could only be altered by consent of the contracting parties- i.e. club and player.

I'd always thought that the contacts were SL only, but I was basing that on what happened when Crusaders disappeared and the players seemed to get free reign to go where they pleased with the special dispensation, like how we picked up Sammut. Did they all become free agents because Crusaders were no longer SL and so the contracts were now void, or was that just a bit of a special circumstance?

have better things to do than listen to you whine about how the RFL are stitching you up. Some new material required.

Look at this scenario

A relegated club( let's say us) is spending the full cap(lets not say us).Also let's say none of their players are out of contract at the end of the year in which they get relegated,very unlikely but could happen.The club would then go into the following season spending £1.7 million ish,and there is a salary cap of 900k,or whatever it is

Er, yet you still seem to be here..

Wow that really is pot calling the kettle black. You really should try to vary some of the anti Bradford bilge you childishly parrot.

Clearly not.

Of the literally gazillion things you could have chosen to do , you chose coming on RAB and making that post as THE TOP of your personal list!

Would this be a case of force majeure? clubs being demoted with players on two or three year contracts even tho at the time of with the club contracting the player(s), demotion was not on the cards?

No, I shouldn't think so, it's a simple contract, you agree to play rugby for me for X years, I agree to pay you £Y. It would not be beyond the wit of man to have "what if" clauses. Force majeure isn't "oh, we never thought of that".

(I'm just plopping this in here as something to say, I've no idea if it adds anything to anyones discussion!)

18 months ago at a forum I asked Cummins about the contract situation of some bloke called Whitehead - no I don't remember him either...

- and Francis said something along the lines of that there was a contract to play rugby and also a contract to work for Bradford. edit: this must have been at a point pre-season 2013 when there was some kind of delay in his contract.

Perhaps the "rugby" contract is the SL contract?

we out muscled a poor northern team with a serious lack of props..yes its nice to beat northern and have a laugh at how easy it was after all the years we were played off the park by a great team in the early days of super league , but its nothing to brag about

Indeed mate, you have a very good team and I'm the last to decry your 'days in the sun' since, as [iwe[/i know only too well, they don't last forever.

You can laugh and say how easy it was just as much as you want, and I can't deny any of it 'cos it was. I definitely wouldn't want to spoil your fun, I just wish a few of your other fans would would maybe keep their gloating for the Giants forum and not show themselves up on here by being very poor winners. You however, can call again

Well said.