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| ??? Really ????? By using figures that you freely admit are incorrect attendances??? Let's hope you don't need beyond reasonable doubt- using this kind of evidence would at best get you laughed out of court.
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| Quote ="jools"??? Really ????? By using figures that you freely admit are incorrect attendances??? Let's hope you don't need beyond reasonable doubt- using this kind of evidence would at best get you laughed out of court.'"
Court?????? Is that where this yah-boo-sucks is heading, then?
So now posters can only post opinions they can prove beyond reasonable doubt?
Listen, we all know comparatively few Giants fans bother to come to Odsal. You know it, I know it. Twas always thus, (though tbf a few more than usual cam to the last match) so the rest of the discussion is pointless, isn't it?
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| Anteater- if you are going to comment on a thread then perhaps it would be a good idea to read previous comments so when references are made to something a previous poster says you don't show your ignorance.
Also the number of giants fans attending odsal has not been disputed- only the illogic a particular poster has used to estimate bulls attendances.
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| Quote ="Mirfieldbull"Anecdotal evidence v data based evidence - so there were only 6 Huddersfield supporters at Odsal - I know I was at both games! And my assesment on spend wasn't based on ticket but based on total - extra bar, food etc. etc.
No squabble pal, but just trying to highlight that the basic premise (more Hudds supporters at odsal than Bulls at Galpharm can't be supported)'"
Your squabble over visiting supporter numbers means nothing to me.
Your suggestion that there were 4K Bulls fans at recent games is absurd. The Pink Link stand for visiting supporters has been around 1/3 full for Bulls games in 2010/11 so a figure below 1300/1400 would be far more likely + a few going side on.
You are now 'suggesting' that the average spend of a supporter, excluding ticket, inside a ground is £10. Hilarious stuff.
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| Ridiculous as that figure is cripes - perhaps more important is it makes no difference whether they spend £10, £100 or £1M the money goes to the stadium company-not the giants!
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| Quote ="jools"Anteater- =#FF0000if you are going to comment on a thread then perhaps it would be a good idea to read previous comments so when references are made to something a previous poster says you don't show your ignorance.
and snip..
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That's a bit rich mate, given your comments on a recent post of mine. Do as I say, not do as I do, I take it?
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| Quote ="Adeybull""Liberty, Equality, Accountancy"
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I like that.
Quote Oh, and I peed in your swimming pool.'"
Please not the inside one. Not bothered about the outside ones as only the poodles use them.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Your squabble over visiting supporter numbers means nothing to me.
Your suggestion that there were 4K Bulls fans at recent games is absurd. The Pink Link stand for visiting supporters has been around 1/3 full for Bulls games in 2010/11 so a figure below 1300/1400 would be far more likely + a few going side on.
You are now 'suggesting' that the average spend of a supporter, excluding ticket, inside a ground is £10.
Hilarious stuff.'"
In legal terms, for the avoidance of doubt I did not state figures were incorrect, they are in the public domain and I assume the tax man uses that data to estimate if tax take is correct (and before any one says anything - I know we owe the tax man ). What I said is that in that year (2011) the method of measure was consistent for the full year but for reasons unknown to me, we clearly changed the basis of reporting attendances, which I guess was to do with the pledge and cheap ticket!
You may lol - but DATA says the crowd at a Bulls match at the Galpharm is about 4k higher than games with little away support for 2 succesive years and in the same period games at Odsal with the Giants saw a much smaller increase. Reasons - more away support for the Bulls certainly, and the fact the Bulls are a much more attractive proposition for Giants supporters who pick and choose matches!
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| Quote ="jools"Ridiculous as that figure is cripes - perhaps more important is it makes no difference whether they spend £10, £100 or £1M the money goes to the stadium company-not the giants!'"
Ok good point - go with the £10 estimate per head still means that Bulls games at the Galpharm resulted in more marginal revenue for you than games at Odsal did for us given the crowd differential was higher as fans from Bulls, disaffected Giants, Fax, Rams, Bulldogs,, Hornets, Roughyeds and fans from all clubs came from a radius of 20 miles to watch the Bulls v Giants local derby
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| Quote ="Mirfieldbull"In legal terms, for the avoidance of doubt I did not state figures were incorrect, they are in the public domain and I assume the tax man uses that data to estimate if tax take is correct (and before any one says anything - I know we owe the tax man
). What I said is that in that year (2011) the method of measure was consistent for the full year but for reasons unknown to me, we clearly changed the basis of reporting attendances, which I guess was to do with the pledge and cheap ticket!
You may lol - but DATA says the crowd at a Bulls match at the Galpharm is about 4k higher than games with little away support for 2 succesive years and in the same period games at Odsal with the Giants saw a much smaller increase. Reasons - more away support for the Bulls certainly, and the fact the Bulls are a much more attractive proposition for Giants supporters who pick and choose matches!'"
For the avoidance of doubt i do not care about the figures you arrive at when juggling with attendances from selected games.
The Bulls brought around 1300 - 1500 to games at the Giants in 2010/11 and the suggested spent of £20 per head is laughable.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"For the avoidance of doubt i do not care about the figures you arrive at when juggling with attendances from selected games.
The Bulls brought around 1300 - 1500 to games at the Giants in 2010/11 and the suggested spent of £20 per head is laughable.'"
OK I declare! Data suggests otherwise but I trust you counted them in and counted them back out out again. And I acknowledged the £20 average did not come to Giants as the extra spend over admission goes to a seperate company - I give way as you know more about Huddersfield and their arrangements than I do.
PS - if you were there, how many did Huddersfield take to Odsal??
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| Quote ="jools"Anteater- if you are going to comment on a thread then perhaps it would be a good idea to read previous comments ..'"
This could be fun.
So, which comment in particular do you allege I had not read, and what makes you believe that I had not read it, then?
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| Quote ="tigertot"Please not the inside one. Not bothered about the outside ones as only the poodles use them.'"
Er...its an outside pool now. Bit hard to be an inside pool when your mansion does not have a roof any more...
btw we found your Tory Party membership card in the safe, in that box marked "Most Secret" that also contained what appeared to be some Swiss bank account numbers and that signed picture of Maggie...
The Butler sold the poodles and has joined us on the barricades.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"This could be fun.
So, which comment in particular do you allege I had not read, and what makes you believe that I had not read it, then?'"
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| well just noticed the change of name of the thread.
I apologise to the giants who have made an offer which suggests they are not as against the club as hastily feared.
After reading 7 or so pages and getting back upto date............
The suggestion about away stand capacity - I doubt I have ever been to a game at odsal where we have not had fans in the traditionally popular home side. The north stand at leeds has had bradford fans in and friends who support opposite teams do sometimes want to sit with each other in the home end.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"That's a bit rich mate, given your comments on a recent post of mine. Do as I say, not do as I do, I take it?'"
??? Are you really comparing????
completely different! My comment to you was based on the fact that you were commenting on someone's bad punctuation rather than contributing to the debate.i clearly did not do that.
My comments to anteater were because he made reference to something I wrote as if i had brought it up without realising that it had in fact initially come from the Bradford guy from mirfield.
Clutching at terrible straws on this board you lot- in more ways than one.
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| Quote ="jools"...
My comments to anteater were because he made reference to something I wrote as if i had brought it up without realising that it had in fact initially come from the Bradford guy from mirfield. '"
The direct quote to which I made direct reference was this:
Quote ="jools"... Let's hope you don't need beyond reasonable doubt- using this kind of evidence would at best get you laughed out of court.
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It came from you, not from anyone else.
Quote ="jools"...Clutching at terrible straws '"
Indeed you are.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Quote ="jools"...
My comments to anteater were because he made reference to something I wrote as if i had brought it up without realising that it had in fact initially come from the Bradford guy from mirfield. '"
The direct quote to which I made direct reference was this:
Quote ="jools"... Let's hope you don't need beyond reasonable doubt- using this kind of evidence would at best get you laughed out of court.
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It came from you, not from anyone else.
Quote ="jools"...Clutching at terrible straws '"
Indeed you are.'"
And as I said the comment was in reference to....
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- don't want you on a jury if I'm the accused, based on convicting on a 'beyond reasonable doubt' basis
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Oh dear- you clearly didn't read this as I suggested. Difficult to have a decent debate on this board -some people don't read and think, too quick to jump in and try to score points but not clever enough to do so with success.
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| Pretty much sums up this forum in 14 pages!!!
One TWONK posts an absolute load of nonsense, a few others jump on the runaway bandwagon (no one provides and facts or evidence)
The real truth comes out and the title is rapidly changed, as is the discussion.
How can a thread about boycotting the Giants game cos we are not helping the poor ickle Bulls ( not even true) turn into a p155ing into the wind competition about how many people went to the game last year and at Odsal this year?
If Odsal was half decent a few more may travel but as we always get p155 wet thru there and the facilities are attrocious, then it does deter a few of our fans (especially the newer ones), others have been to the likes of Runcorn Highfield and Mansfield Marksmen so Odsal is like Wembley compared to that.
So go on and boycott the game, call Sir Ken and the Giants fans, eventually everyone will lose the will to help and be happy to see the Bulls cease to exist.
I for one feel sorry for the TRUE BULLS fans as we have been there but to all the others you don't deserve a team.
The RFL have bailed you out by buying your ground and now SL have bailed you out, clubs are helping including the Giants but ATEOTD your club has chased the dream won the trophies and should now have to suffer the consequences.
Can the people that pledged have their money back after reading these previous posts cos some will now be very annoyed at wasting their money!
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| Yes i know the correct way of writing English- I'm just really not that bothered!
If you want to discuss correct spelling punctuation of grammar - go onto a suitable forum there are enough of them about.
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| Quote ="jools"And as I said the comment was in reference to....
Oh dear- you clearly didn't read this as I suggested. Difficult to have a decent debate on this board -some people don't read and think, too quick to jump in and try to score points but not clever enough to do so with success.'"
I wasn't replying to anything anyone else had said. I was replying to what you said. How hard can that be for you to grasp?
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| And how difficult is it for you to understand that I was making reference to a JOKE (see smiley face) that somebody had already made.
Is it really all too intelligent for you - or are you just pretending?
Anyway chaps- thanks for the thanks-it'll be the last one I get as I certainly won't be contributing further to the bulls begging bowl. If anyone would like a small boys bulls shirt they can have it- never worn! In fact I'd actually like a refund- pedants, ungratefuls and scoffers on here have seen to that.
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