I never had a definition of World Class, I merely stated that 10 players from each position being described as World Class is a nonsense when there are only two recognised leagues in the world.

However, for the record, Sean O Loughlin is [inot[/i my definition of World Class.

Wigan are not Melbourne Storm either. They've played in the last four NRL Grand Finals and have won two. Wigan haven't been in a Grand Final since 2003 and haven't won one since 1998.

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What an ironic statement.

You really need to rein yourselves. Your wonder coaches have presided over 4 wins and that's it. A good start to the season but that's it. I'd wait until the end of the season before I start knocking one out over them if I were you.

I've heard of Shaun Wane, he was a distinctly average front rower who Monie dumped when it was apparent he wasn't up to standard. Since packing up playing he's become a coach but has little pedigree at the top level other than four wins as an assistant to a bloke who comes from a club who are world leaders in RL.

It seems to be me that some of the Wiganers on this thread have a very blurred line over what is a fact and what is an opinion.

Wrong. You obviously havn't seen enough of how we have been playing.

As for saying Langley is better than Lockers, I seriously can't believe that. Lockers would have played in the 4 nations last year had he not got injured.

Lockers is also our longest serving player! Last season Lockers was miles better than Langley.

Currently Lockers is the better player. Whats the point in saying 'I bet he will have more this and more that' because right now he doesn't.

Quite. And just for the record I have predicted a Wigan win in my works tipping comp for this Friday, as they are the team on form and looking good. [iBut [/iit might well be closer than some of our Wigan friends on this thread and elsewhere think. And if the unthinkable happens, and the stars and planets align and we actualy sneak a clearly unwarranted win....well, this thread might be a good source of quotes for the weekend.



Looking forward to a good game and giving Deacs a great reception.

Read the post again.
The poster was talking about Leeds & Saints, not you.

In your opinion.

Or is your opinion gospel? Or not have to be supported by hard facts? Heaven forbid...

Well they have won their 4 opening games so that means they're the best team in the universe ever since those great Wigan teams of the early 90s.

I'm looking forward to seeing 10,000 Wigan fans on Friday all in their Wigan jerseys with "Norweb" on the front and sporting those lovely tasteful cherry and white ski jackets that were all the rage in the late 80s.

We should feel privileged to see WORLD CLASS talents like Cameron Phelps and Amos Roberts



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Campri making a comeback.

Right now Langley does have more metres, tackles and mpc stat.

I said P'Loughlin was far better last season, but Langers played through it all with a shoulder injury and was playin in the 9th side in the competition. O'Loughlin was fully fit and played in a top 6 side, obviously he was bound to do better last year.

Let the stats speak for themselves at the end of the season.

So you honestly think Langley was better than lockers last season? And has been better so far this season?

Hard facts.... like.... being picked for the England 4 nations squad.

Being the captain of the team that has finished 3rd for the last 3 years and made 2 challenge cup semi-finals.

Consistantly being on of the top tacklers in the league. I am pretty sure he is right up there this season as well.

Also, he is alot more skilfull than Langley, he has a great passing range and is very creative. He also has a decent kicking game.

Langley is a very good battering ram who works hard, lockers is that, and some. I know which one I would rather have.

I'll don my BSC hat especially for Odemwingie:

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Click on them. You may learn the difference.

Langley is now vice-captain of our side. He's one of the top tacklers in the league. So far he's one of the top metre-makers in the league. Langley filled in at Hooker last season for about 30 minutes of a match, so his passing can't be that bad

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Langley declared himself unable to play fro England last year because he needed his shoulder op, simply playing the whole season and still being near the best in tackles and metres with a dodgy shoulder says something about him.

I know who i'd rather have

If you are dealing with facts, now that it has been explained to you what they are, he has also won absolutely nothing at all.

Odd that plenty of Wigan fans have been moaning on C&W for ages about consistently losing in semi finals and how it is a disgrace yet now, when it suits them, it is seen as some sort of achievement?

Haha quality fella

I had a Northern one of those.

All white with the RAB hoops.....it was the warmest coat EVER and great for spotting yourself on the tele.

Oh sorry I forget Wane's going up against the almighty Mcnamara, a coach so far ahead of his peers that his tactics and game plan have all before him bowing down in awe and amazement.

Whatever you think of Shaun's playing career doesn't really matter, afterall if a playing career did impact on one's ability to coach, how the hell would the numpty that is Steve Mcnamara be in charge of a SuperLeague team.

Perhaps Bradford's fan's problem with Wigan's fan's optimism is the fact that they look at their own club and don't see a bright light at the end of the tunnel, but instead a continuing slippery slope to nowhere.

Nice of you to conveniently leave out the rest of my post? Read it all and you will see I was not being 'cocky' or 'arrogant'.




What's 'arrogant' or 'cocky about that?

Another post I have made that has also quite conveniently been left to filter down the rlfans archives:

I don't think it is the fact that Wigan have won games like Crusaders, Hull KR and Catalans (seems as we have no harps about Warrington) it's the manner in which we have won these matches which has filled us fans with such confidence and hope & there is nothing wrong with that at all IMO. Some people seem to be almost 'telling others off' for getting so confident and optimistic about this season - why? Our lads deserve the recognition for the performances they have been putting in. Who else this year is going to beat Warrington on their own patch and then nil Catalans the following week? Or do either of those things for that matter? Does anyone think any other teams this year will keep their opponents to nil in more than four halves of rugby league?

These comparisons with Hull FC from last year are nonsensical and they scream fear IMO from rival supporters. Although results are similar in the fact that both teams won their opening four games, but the performances are not. Did Hull FC only concede 2 tries in their opening 3 home games? Did they manage to nil anyone? Did the manage to keep their opponents scoreless in four halves of Rugby League? Wigan are a completely different side to the Hull FC team of 2009. I think people are more in hope that we will follow suit than actually truly believing it.

Okay first bit of arrogance on my part maybe, but I agree to the above.

Genius post.

Look at his try/try assists ratio.

Look at how many penalties he has conceded in comparison to O'loughlin.

Then blush a little, ignore my post and think twice before you post such rubbish in the future.

Arrogant sod.

Yeah cos as a Bradford fan I can't face the prospect of Leeds and Saints not playing the Grand Final...

...again!

I would love it if a different team broke up the top two but it won't be Wigan as they have peaked to early. Just like Hull last year and Wakefield before that.

It's more fun to be selective with the facts





Where have I even remotely bigged up McNamara's coaching credentials?

In fact where has anyone done that?

So how about you put your plonker back in your pants, put away the tissues and get a sense of perspective? Wane may go on to be the British answer to Wayne Bennett but at the moment he's merely assistant to a bloke with 4 wins under his belt.