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| Quote ="Bullseye"I agree that "diatribe" was an odd word to use. Either Ross has an axe to grind (in which case he needs to wind his neck in) or he doesn't know the meaning of the word.'"
In which case he should wind his neck in. Ross, wind your neck in!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Brilliant piece on Sunday's game. Sums it up perfectly. Somebody buy that lad a beer.
I too remember that scrum. It did truly say it all we needed to know.'"
A good read. The scrum thing though....In last season's game at The Shay the same thing happened. O.K. that time there were only seconds left but you were only one score adrift and the lack of effort to form the scrum was unbelievable. If it had been Fax I would have been disgusted with the players. Summat not right that's for sure.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"So we need to park this season (even though it is only July). And we need to park last season because we got to the MPG, despite the fact that a lot of the performances dire. And we had to park the season before because we had a six point deduction for going into administration. I daresay you are expecting to say that we really can't expect much next season as there will be so many new players that they need time to play together. We may as well park that.'"
You're trying to do sarcasm, I know, but you make a valid point. It is the point I made at the start of our Championship adventure. It's this: you first pick your coach, who is your No.1 decision. Then with him, put a squad together, with the key positions well filled; you then spend a couple of seasons cementing the team. If you are lucky, and chose well, by then you have the makings of a good team. Over the next few years, if you are very lucky, it may become a formidable team.
And that was our first problem. Zero time. Instant success needed. Nearly happened but fell short.
Second problem - we've now had a couple of years of team cementing, but sadly the coach didn't work out, and we didn't bother with the "fill key positions" stage. So we have in many respects to start over. But we don't have 2 or 3 years to become good. We can't afford to park it, but there's no avoiding the fact that the team needs time to gel and get to know each other.
You sound upset that the new players need time to play together, but I think you know it's true! Or do you disagree?
But I don't know what you want me to say, or what you expect? Do you want to severely punish the players and sack everyone else? How will that help? So yes, we've had our moan, park it now, time is short and the task is huge, imho we need to get on with it.
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| We have a good scrum half now. He's got the rest of this season, a full preseason and hopefully this time next year everyone will be ready
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| Quote ="Highlander"We have a good scrum half now. He's got the rest of this season, a full preseason and hopefully this time next year everyone will be ready'"
Agreed. We could have had the biggest meanest fowards and the quickest outside backs in the game, wouldn't have made a difference without a 7 to get the team around the park.
We finally have a spine and a good one at that. Moss, Pryce, Chisholm, O'brien is a great combination to build the team around.
Also think we're due a bit of luck as our HBs have all been crocked last 3 years.
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Quote ="Errol Stock"This is a brilliant blog and an extremely good read summarising Sunday to today (I think)
[urlhttp://wobblyheadedbull.tumblr.com/post/148015837798/dont-look-back-in-anger[/url
What you think?'"
I think every player who turned out for us on Sunday should be made to read that...'"
Agree. great reading as I read all of wobbly's blogs about the bulls.
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| Quote ="ridlerbull"In which case he should wind his neck in. Ross, wind your neck in!
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| Quote ="David Tasker"when does Ross ever post anything positive about the bulls? I used to watch bulls TV with his interviews with jimmy and just think this is cringe worthy viewing.'"
The interviews with Jimmy were all down to Jimmy. I spoke to one of the other blokes involved with those interviews a little while ago (not Ross or Hobbo who asked most of the questions) and that person said Jimmy was a total nightmare and he felt like the poor blokes asking the questions had been given an impossible task.
As far as Ross and positivity goes, I've spoken before about this. The idea he's positive or negative is total rubbish IMO. He reports what's there, regardless of which side of the fence it's fallen on. The story this week regarding Green having a few things to think about is essentially a collection of things everyone on here was saying too. He doesn't work for the club, so why should he be more positive than us fans on here? I generally think the tone of his pieces are very (VERY) similar to the general feeling amongst fans. If things were going well and everyone was loving the club, I expect his articles would be along a similar lines. When the club is doing well and his articles are still negative, I'll accept it's him. Until then, I think he gets a crap ride from a lot people.
Everyone praises Russ (Wobbly) for telling it like it is. But people criticise Ross for similar. Yeah I know he's a professional journalist, but I'd rather read the T&A being honest and forthright than kissing the backside of Marc Green and the club.
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| I listened to the Bulls BCB show tonight and I actually feel sorry for Marc Green. it costs him £2.7m to run the club for the year before anything or anyone comes through the door. That figure includes Odsal rent, tong rent, players wages, upkeep of infrastructure, insurances, ulitity bills and travel costs for all junior and first team. it would seem other people were equally sympathic of what Mr Green has actually taken on. I think as fans we sometimes allow the results om the field to cloud are judgement on the owner - chairman. £2.7m is a lot of money.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"The interviews with Jimmy were all down to Jimmy. I spoke to one of the other blokes involved with those interviews a little while ago (not Ross or Hobbo who asked most of the questions) and that person said Jimmy was a total nightmare and he felt like the poor blokes asking the questions had been given an impossible task.
As far as Ross and positivity goes, I've spoken before about this. The idea he's positive or negative is total rubbish IMO. He reports that's there, regardless of which side of the fence it's fallen on. The story this week regarding Green having a few things to think about is essentially a collection of things everyone on here was saying too. He doesn't work for the club, so why should he be more positive than us fans on here? I generally think the tone of his pieces are very (VERY) similar to the general feeling amongst fans. If things were going well and everyone was loving the club, I expect his articles would be along a similar lines. When the club is doing well and his articles are still negative, I'll accept it's him. Until then, I think he gets a crap ride from a lot people.
Everyone praises Russ (Wobbly) for telling it like it is. But people criticise Ross for similar. Yeah I know he's a professional journalist, but I'd rather read the T&A being honest and forthright than kissing the backside of Marc Green and the club.'"
Rohan Smith is better at explaining himself on Bulls TV than Jimmy. Lowes sometimes would just rant at the person asking questions. What I mean about Ross is why just focus on negatives? why not look at the great things happening with academy? I just feel t&a goes all doom and gloom. I enjoy reading his match reports though they usually have plenty of description which is vital when you can't go to games.
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| Quote ="David Tasker"I listened to the Bulls BCB show tonight and I actually feel sorry for Marc Green. it costs him £2.7m to run the club for the year before anything or anyone comes through the door. That figure includes Odsal rent, tong rent, players wages, upkeep of infrastructure, insurances, ulitity bills and travel costs for all junior and first team. it would seem other people were equally sympathic of what Mr Green has actually taken on. I think as fans we sometimes allow the results om the field to cloud are judgement on the owner - chairman. £2.7m is a lot of money.'"
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those figures. Then perhaps people could see what a millstone Odsal is.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those figures. Then perhaps people could see what a millstone Odsal is.'"
Same here. wages are supposedly one million plus? does odsal cost another million, how much is the training facilities at tong? I heard it's state of the art so cloud be half a million?
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| Quote ="David Tasker"Rohan Smith is better at explaining himself on Bulls TV than Jimmy. Lowes sometimes would just rant at the person asking questions. What I mean about Ross is why just focus on negatives? why not look at the great things happening with academy? I just feel t&a goes all doom and gloom. I enjoy reading his match reports though they usually have plenty of description which is vital when you can't go to games.'"
It's a fair point. I do think the general feeling around the club is doom and gloom, and his stories simply reflect that. But yes, I agree, a really good positive article about the academy would be a welcome one. Perhaps he hasn't got the right access to do that kind of story, or like has been said, perhaps the relationship between him and senior figures at the club is strained. But it's certainly one area of the club that is a massive silver lining and perhaps could do with a little highlighting.
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| [code[/code Quote ="HamsterChops"It's a fair point. I do think the general feeling around the club is doom and gloom, and his stories simply reflect that. But yes, I agree, a really good positive article about the academy would be a welcome one. Perhaps he hasn't got the right access to do that kind of story, or like has been said, perhaps the relationship between him and senior figures at the club is strained. But it's certainly one area of the club that is a massive silver lining and perhaps could do with a little highlighting.'"
Not sure on ross and his current relationship with green. I remember when Dave Craven put out the Lowes Warrington story and he fell foul of hood and bennett.
Hopefully Ross can repair the damage with the club and start covering positive stories rather then all this will they wont they stay full time. Green said on BCB last week he's signed off a squad of 28 players for next year so that must mean full time?
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| How long has Ross been with the T&A now? RL reporters don't usually hang around for more than 4 or 5 years now. Gone are the days when you had a reporter for long periods - think the last one like that at the T&A was Brian Smith (not the Aussie!).
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| Quote ="Bullseye"How long has Ross been with the T&A now? RL reporters don't usually hang around for more than 4 or 5 years now. Gone are the days when you had a reporter for long periods - think the last one like that at the T&A was Brian Smith (not the Aussie!).'"
I think this is his fourth season at the paper. I've no idea of his background or where's he from. Perhaps he might be in it for the long haul like bill marshall was or as you mention brian smith. I think the Bradford City guy has been at the paper for over ten years.
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| Bill ended up covering cricket. He was only covering the Bulls for a short period IIRC. Nice bloke.
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| Quote ="David Tasker"I think this is his fourth season at the paper. I've no idea of his background or where's he from. Perhaps he might be in it for the long haul like bill marshall was or as you mention brian smith. I think the Bradford City guy has been at the paper for over ten years.'"
Not sure if I've got the right one but I thought he'd previously been RL correspondent on the Warrington Guardian.
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| So, with regards to Mark's company - Safeguard security group ([urlhttp://www.ssgltd.co.uk/[/url) - it all seems to be ok so rumours of appointing administrators were obviously bo llox. Yet another attempt to muddy the waters and cause damage to MG & the Bulls.
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| I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.
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| Quote ="DrFeelgood"I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.'"
I imagine that if he's not got a good relationship with the club then he may end up lifting material from other sources. He didn't get on with Lowes (and I think Lowes has to shoulder some blame there) but he also annoyed Caro recently with a sloppy article. He's building a relationship with Smith. I get the feeling there's definitely no love lost between him and Green and Ferres. I know there has been annoyance at the slant of some articles purporting to give Ferres's views.
I think the journalist that covers the club needs to maintain good relationships and may have to sacrifice some of his impartiality for that. Otherwise the bread and butter articles lack the quality that you can only get from having a friendly and close relationship.
It can be up to other journalists to cover the "off field" challenges. They don't have to get a foot in the door everyday so can take a tougher line if need be.
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Thats the oldco I think. It's Safeguard group services now.
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Thats the oldco I think. It's Safeguard group services now.'" Quote ="DrFeelgood"I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.'"
I think you're right in there's no love lost between Marc and Ross. When was the last time the t and a website had an actual interview by Ross with Marc? It appears Ross can get Ferres for comments though. I just wish he would be more positive and factual with his storys instead of just writing doom and gloom about the club.
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Thats the oldco I think. It's Safeguard group services now.'" Quote ="DrFeelgood"I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.'"
I think you're right in there's no love lost between Marc and Ross. When was the last time the t and a website had an actual interview by Ross with Marc? It appears Ross can get Ferres for comments though. I just wish he would be more positive and factual with his storys instead of just writing doom and gloom about the club.
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| He could maybe write an article saying he's positive we didn't make the playoffs ...
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