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| Appealing to loyalty because the prices are still too high. Only way to market it.
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| Didn't we pay £150 for terrace last year? so a 50% increase?. Do they know something about next years structure that we don't? because if there's no middle eights next year as rumoured their asking us to pay more for less games ( only 12 teams in championship)
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| Quote ="mat"Didn't we pay £150 for terrace last year? so a 50% increase?. Do they know something about next years structure that we don't? because if there's no middle eights next year as rumoured their asking us to pay more for less games ( only 12 teams in championship)'"
I forget the prices, but I think you might be right. Although they do seem to be sticking with the "sell season tickets before we know what division we're in or even how many games it covers" strategy from last year. As well as the "don't tell anyone what the price would be after the early bird" clause of course.
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| Check out prices of majority of other clubs. Halifax changed £190 without the 8s games. So another 3 home games at £20 £250.
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| Seems reasonable enough to me.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Seems reasonable enough to me.'"
The £225 for the terrace will cover the extra home games should we finish in the top four (1st or 2nd an extra two home games) or Championship Shield (5th or 6th an extra two home games).
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"The £225 for the terrace will cover the extra home games should we finish in the top four (1st or 2nd an extra two home games) or Championship Shield (5th or 6th an extra two home games).'"
That implies that club knows what structures going to be next year?. Whats cutoff for earlybird and how much will prices rise after earlybird deadline?
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| I hate to be the one to say it BUT.... what happens if we don’t go up? Do we scrap this or is there a chance we would be paying that for league 1 rugby?
If it includes the extra games from the 8s it’s not bad value.
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| Quote ="mat"That implies that club knows what structures going to be next year?. Whats cutoff for earlybird and how much will prices rise after earlybird deadline?'"
The early bird and seats reservation deadline is 30th September.
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| Hang on, didn't Robert Elstone assure us that the Play Offs were going to be no more?
I definitely won't be even considering buying until we get a definitive statement about the structure for next season
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Hang on, didn't Robert Elstone assure us that the Play Offs were going to be no more?
I definitely won't be even considering buying until we get a definitive statement about the structure for next season'"
Michael Carter was on sl golden poont yesterday (spoke well) but he seemed pretty certain the 8s won't be in place for next year. He mentioned it would be a simple 1 up 1 down (which is what i prefer). Play each other home and away then loop fixtures FFS. Bloody loop fixtures!
I wonder if the SL clubs are hoping to convince the RFL without the championship clubs being on board. Elstones statement never mentions the championship/L1 clubs. Only the RFL. Suggests to me they're going to try hammer this through without their support (i think they would support it given time and proper due diligence)
I wish common sense would take over. I actually want the structure to change like SL to simple 1 up 1 down and top 5 (but for gods sake no loop fixtures) the problem is, like Damian Irvine said on back chat, they are trying to rush the decision through. Season tickets are on sale for some clubs so its too late to change next season. As Damian Irvine said, do some research and due diligence and get every one around a table in December and sort something to start in 2020. Unfortunately this is RL...
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| An adult ticket for the provident stand last year (and the year prior) was £199. Next year it will be £249, so roughly a price rise of 25%.
Also seems a bit odd to me that a season ticket for the stand only costs an extra £24 more than one for the terrace?
I'll still be getting one but I hope they know what they're doing with these price hikes.
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| I obviously decide on the value of buying in advance differently to some supporters. We don’t even know what division we will be in yet or how many games this will cover.
And a lot can happen between now and February... or whatever month it may or may not kick off from! The incentives all encourage to buy in the next few days and before the end of August, what is the big hurry? Maybe I’m just pessimistic after the last few years and I’m clearly not their target audience.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Michael Carter was on sl golden poont yesterday (spoke well) but he seemed pretty certain the 8s won't be in place for next year. He mentioned it would be a simple 1 up 1 down (which is what i prefer). Play each other home and away then loop fixtures FFS. Bloody loop fixtures!
I wonder if the SL clubs are hoping to convince the RFL without the championship clubs being on board. Elstones statement never mentions the championship/L1 clubs. Only the RFL. Suggests to me they're going to try hammer this through without their support (i think they would support it given time and proper due diligence)
I wish common sense would take over. I actually want the structure to change like SL to simple 1 up 1 down and top 5 (but for gods sake no loop fixtures) the problem is, like Damian Irvine said on back chat, they are trying to rush the decision through. Season tickets are on sale for some clubs so its too late to change next season. As Damian Irvine said, do some research and due diligence and get every one around a table in December and sort something to start in 2020. Unfortunately this is RL...'"
Agree with all that Bull Mania
I just don't see how they can possibly start selling Season Tickets when there is absolutely no guarantee how many games there will be or what the format is.
I've seen one supposedly in the know person (yeah, I know..) on another forum saying that they've heard that there'll be a 14 team Championship next year, achieved by one down and three up at the end of this year. If that happens, then that would mean they can guarantee 14 games (13 home plus Bash) without the need for any end of season play off games. (It would also presumably mean we are almost guaranteed to be promoted as presumably its first two up, then a play off for the third promotion place)
But as of right now, we don't even know what division we'll be in, so committing to season ticket is madness. Are people going to be happy if they commit to those prices, only to end up with League 1 rugby again?
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| Has anyone else put their season tickets up for sale yet?
Sorry to treat this as bad news, but I just feel that there's a funding gap in the Bulls future and they're pushing the tickets NOW to try and avoid that.
Maybe that's not it at all and I'm just a little paranoid due to the number of off season issues we've had to endure over recent years.
However, as other people have pointed out:
1) We don't know which league we'll be playing in next year.
2) IF we go up, we don't know what the league format will be for next year.
Really doesn't seem like it's been thought through.
That being said, in an attempt to be even handed and put a positive spin on this, perhaps the club DO already know the format and are confident of going up to the Championship and as such need the cash injection to be able to sign in some heavy hitters for next year.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"Has anyone else put their season tickets up for sale yet?
Sorry to treat this as bad news, but I just feel that there's a funding gap in the Bulls future and they're pushing the tickets NOW to try and avoid that.
Maybe that's not it at all and I'm just a little paranoid due to the number of off season issues we've had to endure over recent years.
However, as other people have pointed out:
1) We don't know which league we'll be playing in next year.
2) IF we go up, we don't know what the league format will be for next year.
Really doesn't seem like it's been thought through.
That being said, in an attempt to be even handed and put a positive spin on this, perhaps the club DO already know the format and are confident of going up to the Championship and as such need the cash injection to be able to sign in some heavy hitters for next year.'"
Bradford are the ninth club to start selling 2019 season tickets. Halifax, York, Featherstone, Widnes etc... are already selling season tickets for next year.
Is there funding issues at those eight clubs? I think not.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"Bradford are the ninth club to start selling 2019 season tickets. Halifax, York, Featherstone, Widnes etc... are already selling season tickets for next year.
Is there funding issues at those eight clubs? I think not.'"
Do those clubs have a history of not paying bills/staff and being in financial crisis every couple of years, meaning their fans have good reason to be worried constantly? I think not.
Quote ="paulwalker71"I just don't see how they can possibly start selling Season Tickets when there is absolutely no guarantee how many games there will be or what the format is.'"
They did exactly the same last year. The way they're pushing the "Loyalty" campaign is so transparent, it may as well be made out of glass. It's the same thing Chalmers has done since he took over. Constantly asking the fan base to be loyal and using emotional blackmail to make sure they cough up as much money as possible and hand it straight over to the club, playing that loyalty card to mask the fact that actually it's often a rip off.
If it was any other place you were a customer, you'd refuse and tell them where to go. But the emotional attachment makes people overlook it and hand their money over. And Chalmers knows that full well. And honestly, while thousands of people continue to do it, I can't say I blame Chalmers, as it works.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"They did exactly the same last year. The way they're pushing the "Loyalty" campaign is so transparent, it may as well be made out of glass. It's the same thing Chalmers has done since he took over. Constantly asking the fan base to be loyal and using emotional blackmail to make sure they cough up as much money as possible and hand it straight over to the club, playing that loyalty card to mask the fact that actually it's often a rip off.
If it was any other place you were a customer, you'd refuse and tell them where to go. But the emotional attachment makes people overlook it and hand their money over. And Chalmers knows that full well. And honestly, while thousands of people continue to do it, I can't say I blame Chalmers, as it works.'"
You realise you just described every sports club in the world, right?
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| Quote ="Nothus"You realise you just described every sports club in the world, right?'"
As far as them being able to take the mickey more than a standard company because of their emotional attachment, absolutely yes. I don't feel like every sports club in the world uses that to rip their fans off quite as much as others though. A little, maybe. But certainly to completely different levels.
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| Like I said before. Halifax charged £190 without the 8s games. So a total of around £250 this season.i didn't see one fan complain.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"As far as them being able to take the mickey more than a standard company because of their emotional attachment, absolutely yes. I don't feel like every sports club in the world uses that to rip their fans off quite as much as others though. A little, maybe. But certainly to completely different levels.'"
There's a guy posting on the Leeds forum who had a VIP box last season, cost him about £8k for the year I believe. Next season Leeds are wanting him to pay over £12k for the same deal.
Next year my ticket will be £249. A few years ago it was £280.
Every club needs money from fans and in the end it comes down to you as an individual to decide whether you are being 'ripped off' or not.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"
They did exactly the same last year. The way they're pushing the "Loyalty" campaign is so transparent, it may as well be made out of glass. It's the same thing Chalmers has done since he took over. Constantly asking the fan base to be loyal and using emotional blackmail to make sure they cough up as much money as possible and hand it straight over to the club, playing that loyalty card to mask the fact that actually it's often a rip off.
If it was any other place you were a customer, you'd refuse and tell them where to go. But the emotional attachment makes people overlook it and hand their money over. And Chalmers knows that full well. And honestly, while thousands of people continue to do it, I can't say I blame Chalmers, as it works.'"
But we [iall[/i know that club merchandise is, basically, a rip off and a way to raise money - and absolutely we would never buy from the Hight St on that basis. However we're not expecting any return from the high st, well, not beyond the goods. We [iare[/i expecting some return from the club though; we expect a competitive team, with proper back-up and coaching, all run as a professional operation with appropriate staff to deliver all that.
Like it or not, to use an abused term, we truly are stakeholders in all this and one way or another, if we want it, we will have to pay for it. A club, any club, costs. A succesful one costs even more. No-one's arm is being twisted and the "emotional blackmail" is nothing more than reminding folk of that awkward fact. Whilst I fully accept that some will find it difficult/impossible to pay higher prices the vast majority have a simple choice and anyone not happy can just refuse.
The club has made a judgement that the majority will go along with its decision. Let's hope that is correct.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"But we [iall[/i know that club merchandise is, basically, a rip off and a way to raise money - and absolutely we would never buy from the Hight St on that basis. However we're not expecting any return from the high st, well, not beyond the goods. We [iare[/i expecting some return from the club though; we expect a competitive team, with proper back-up and coaching, all run as a professional operation with appropriate staff to deliver all that.
Like it or not, to use an abused term, we truly are stakeholders in all this and one way or another, if we want it, we will have to pay for it. A club, any club, costs. A succesful one costs even more. No-one's arm is being twisted and the "emotional blackmail" is nothing more than reminding folk of that awkward fact. Whilst I fully accept that some will find it difficult/impossible to pay higher prices the vast majority have a simple choice and anyone not happy can just refuse.
The club has made a judgement that the majority will go along with its decision. Let's hope that is correct.'"
I don't disagree with any of that. And I for one am in the camp of choosing to refuse. I won't go into all the reasons why again (it's been done to death on here), but your mention of a professional operation with appropriate staff is certainly part of it. I think that's one place the club fails, albeit not on the field and in the coaching department.
I think you're right in the club has to decide if they want to charge the higher price and risk people telling them where to go, or charge the lower price and risk not enough people taking it up to cover the money they need. Either way, you'll have people unhappy. And I wouldn't want to be one of those making those decisions!
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