So with the points deduction appeal possibly this week, how many points do we think we'll end up with?

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Chairman Green said: “If it’s right that we should get any points back then we will and if it’s right that we shouldn’t then we won’t.

“But if the sport is to have any credibility at all then it has to be that it believes in the transparency of the process that it has in place for any appeal.

“The appeal process is there for a reason – for the benefit of everybody – and it’s our right to use it, so we will stand or fall by that outcome. I think we have to have as a club a belief we have a cause to get points back, otherwise what’s the point of spending money on the appeal?
“We have to believe as a club that it’s a worthwhile exercise – and the cost of the appeal is being covered by me personally and not the club.”

I'm going for all 6.

It's obvious that the administration was unavoidable, thanks to both the RFL and OK, as a result, I expect nothing less than 6 points. The fact the Wakey fans even put together a poorly worded letter only but confirms that they are indeed clutching at straws. Their 'bully' tactics should no longer be tolerated!

Think appeals now next week.

Think a lot of those on the VT don't realise that it is an independent panel (The RFL says the appeal will be heard “as soon as possible” by a specially-convened independent sporting sanctions appeal panel chaired by a qualified solicitor or barrister which has the right to uphold the deduction, reduce the severity or overthrow it) The RFL has got nothing to do with it, they may find that the 6pts was wrongly decided as it was against BB2014 who never actually took ownership of the club, and now MG is in charge (he was the largest creditor wasn't he?) has his debt been cleared and he has been paid off.

Admin was unavoidable due to the 3 parties OK, BB2014 and RFL all dragging their heals through november and december until it was to late in jan/feb to do anything about it, I quite like being resented at by oppo fans, some hate us others don't really give a monkeys, but the world will end on here if we are given all 6, in the immortal words of King Kevin of Keegan "id love it!"

Surely 3 or 5 points are an option also?

If you don't get 6 points back I won't be attending anymore games. Period.

Couple of things from that if anyone got a clear understanding.
Does "overthown" mean the points deduction is reduced to 0 or that the original decision is set aside?
If the original penalty is set aside, would that mean we'd have a further hearing back with the RFL?
If overthrown means reduced to 0 would that be an end of it as the appeals panel decision is final?

Technically I think you're right (also 1 point), but I suspect it'll be a multiple of 2 points for a competition win. So it keeps the poll simpler.

The gift that keeps on giving.

I'm not getting my hopes up.

I think we should get 8. That includes an extra 2 for all the pain and distress we've suffered due this iniquitous punishment.

I'd hope for a 4 point deduction but I'm expecting it to be unchanged.

We'll get advance warning if that's the case as the Wakefield fans violently ejaculating into their undercrackers will be audible in Bradford.

Does this have the potential to screw up the RFL's day? If the deduction is thrown out due to not following process correctly/incompetence will the leadership of the RFL survive the week?

if that happened would the RLFANS servers survive the week?

But it would give the RFL a number of headaches you're right. Shame its next week if Mat is right, could do with this settled and out of the way either way asap.

I've actually wrote a letter to the RFL,they said they will deal with it once they have dealt with a letter from Wakefields chairman.Apparently he's asked if the RFL can gets the numbers on the balls mixed up again in the draw tonight so we get Wigan away instead of Keighley at home

Tbh, the problems that lead to the first admin were not properly addressed and were exacerbated by the poor management under OK and really we were never really out of administration

If we do get points back the whistle blowing, spec saving shirt wears will make sure we go down!!

If Bulls don't get any points back you can guarantee the Wakey fans will soon dream up a fresh RL vendetta against them every time they are penalised by the ref, to ensure Wakey are relegated.

If I may put in my tuppenth worth, I do not know how many points, if any would represent a fair deduction. To make that assessment I would want to know the basis of the previous reductions in points deductions (Wakey and Crusaders). I would though expect that the independant panel would seek that information from the RFL.

What were those reductions based upon/ Was it percentage of debt paid off, or an amount ( eg £ 100k,)? Did Wakey and Crusaders pay off similar amounts or proportions. Only with that information can the panel compare the circumstances.

If that is done then the end result should be fair, whatever that total is.

Now having stated that I cannot make that assessment I will make a prediction, as I suspect there may be great differences between the Wakey and Crusaders cases that would set a precedent of 2 points back if any additional repayment is made. Consequently I expect you to end up with a decduction of 4 points.

We've also lost [or will have by the end of the season £1.2m, which no other club has ever had to lose. Now, for the purposes of this points thread I won't go into any of the fairness, or otherwise, of that - however, if we/they/the panel, are looking back to keep to precedents, then this must surely be factored in?

Correct Bulliac

Was the half money part of the sanction for this Administration? I don't see how that can be factored in to the apeall as it relates to the previous administration - but equally I cannot see anything in RFL rules that states a second administration warrants a harsher penalty. I think the appeal should consider only the 2014 admin

I haven't the foggiest, but looking forward to the appeal being heard so we know exactly what penalty we will have to overcome to survive in SL. Naturally I'm hoping we have put together a convincing case for the panel.

I'm voting for us getting all the points back.

I don't think we will, but I'd love to see the explosion on the Wakefield board if it happened.

Never mind the Wakey forum, their chairman would erupt. Magma Carter, if you like. He'd kick the office cat so hard, he'd probably crack a toe.

Well on the front of the T&A this morning it states the RFL are after Omar for £900k