This for me has got disaster written all over it. Warrington need to win. Forget the talk of them not making the 8, everything is going their way at the moment results wise. They could be joint 4th by next weekend with Huddersfield away at Catalan and Cas away at Wakey who are doing better now.

Beating Huddersfield has given us that dangerous 4 point gap over 4th. It means the desperation to win for us won't be there at the same level as it will for Warrington. Looking at how we're playing currently and it does seem like Thursday could be a massacre. We simply can't defend our line currently and no doubt Warrington will play the same brand of over-poweringly enthusiastic rugby that saw them bully Wigan the other week. Referees in SL just aren't strong enough to control that sort of rugby like they should and IMO we'll be swamped.

With Greenwood still finding his feet after his injury and the whole left side being a farce defensively, the likely lengthy ban coming for LMS is another blow.

What is LMS likely to be banned for? Was he f'ing and blinding on camera again?

I thought Vea was coming back for this game? He'd be a nice addition.
Wire are a shambles this year. If KC can do something about our woeful defence we should be ok, but you never know with Wire

Pulling Thalers shirt
Lengthy ban ... Nah max two games, best case a warning

I think that left edge defence can't be fixed in a week. It's going to be long process sorting that side out.

I'm not sure you can teach a player to read a game. It's something you can't teach.

Agree. We are a jelly team.

Everyone knows he is a bit of a clown, with this in mind possibly get away with a warning, not much in it really, friendly gesture rather than an aggressive frustrating contact.

For the Warrington game, could go either way, Wire are still very inconsistent at half back, I predicted we would win 2 out of 3 of our last games, no reason we can win them all if Walsh and Burns improve further, is Wilkin back for this game, welcome boost if he is.

Not as up for it, Saddened? It's a local derby and we're chasing the league leaders shield...we have everything to play for.

I know we have some issues with the team at the minute lacking a bit here and there, and I'm all for a bit of realism, but we're still in with a great chance of finishing top. We've won games this season that we've had no right to, we've overcome adversity again. They somehow dig deep and find a way to win. So to suggest they won't be turning up for a massive local derby against one of their bitter rivals with a trophy to play for, is wider off the mark than a Makinson goalkicking conversion attempt from the touchline.

No charge for LMS.

Bit of a nothing incident really, Wigoons kicked up a thread on there forum they wanted a 2 match minimum ban.

I agree. Yes he put his hand on his shoulder but he did so merely to get his attention as he was moaning about the decision. Nothing in it.

Saddened has always had a massive inferiority complex toward Warrington. And he's not alone. Over the past few years I've observed the growth of a strange cult-like contingent of Saints fans who genuinely believe Warrington are our biggest rivals. Wire's recent dip in fortunes appears to have forced some to regain their senses but the rest are lying dormant like hibernating tortoises.

If we lose next game you can bet they'll emerge from their slumber and begin spouting the usual revolutionary insurrectionist rhetoric about Wigan not being The Enemy.

=#FF0000I strongly urge all Saints fans to be on the lookout for these radical fundamentalists. Don't be fooled by first appearances. Remember - whilst these people may LOOK and SOUND LIKE real Saints fans their minds have been wrought and twisted by devilish forces.

If you know of or suspect that one of these subversives is in the vicinity call the authorities immediately!

Whilst there may have been nothing in it, this sort of behaviour has to be nipped in the bud in order we don't end up having to fix a more developed problem.
They should have a clear punishment set of for minor but intentional contact with the official. I think it should be 3 games.

We're quick enough to criticise referees, but you can't expect them to do their job with any clarity if they're getting poked and prodded by pro rugby league players.

I really don't see any need for issues such as these to go to post-match tribunals or (worse still) warrant new legislation. It seems like every week these days someone is calling for yet another rewrite to the rules. I'm sick of it.

If the ref can't deal with it there and then (penalties, either card or stern talking to) he has no business refereeing a game. Even if he gets shoved from behind it should be possible to deal with it.

I don't know any Saints fan who regards Dire as our 'biggest rivals'. Geographically they maybe slighty closer, but they wouldn't ever come near the Pies for rivalry.

I'd also put Leeds a billion miles ahead of Smiths mob in the rivalry stakes.

Well they are for me. Almost everyone I know supports Warrington. I don't know many who support the Goons. Whilst I have a healthy hatred of all things Cherry n' White, I don't like being beaten by the Wire.

Wigan is about 6 miles from St Helens; Warrington 10 miles from St Helens. Wigan is always our biggest rival. But Warrington have had the cheek of beating us in recent years. It would be nice to restore normality and whitewash them this season!

Ground to ground, The Halliwell Jones Stadium is closer by a mile (8.5 miles) to the DW (9.5). Widnes's ground is closest at 8.3 miles #pedanticalert

=#FF0000Burn him! Burn him!

I was working in the premier lounge on Friday and he mentioned KR as the game he may be likely back for

Yes, I heard the same today

You don't count as I don't know you.

Although the brown nosing you always do about Wire does knock me rather sick.

A big banana skin for both teams.

We're killing ourselves with discipline here. You know that if you've got them pinned in their 20 then the home crowd are going to shout for a penalty for every tackle, do you jump off, you don't have an extra ankle tug, you don't give a referee under pressure any reason to penalise you. But we've given away SO many penalties late in the tackle count now. It's the only way Warrington are getting downfield. We have to cut it out or we'll lose. Which would be a shame, as our pack is on top tonight.

Also, take Greenwood off. He's having a shocker tonight.