I was not at the match due to a family birthday "do" but for those who went, who do you think KC was referring to in a very negative sense when he said?

Probably Lance can,t think of any others Mose maybe.

100% mose is one.

utter disgrace champions playing 2cnd from bottom and get beat on our own ground..ok we have injuries but hull had a couple out as well..they got tonked by hull kr...then leeds scored 7 second half tries against them at the kc stadium...keep hearing about we have got strength in dept....WHERE?...next 2 games are vital and they wont be easy!

The team was good enough to win today against a poor out of form hull side which also had players out.

Mose was bone idle today, puts so much pressure Walmsley.

Only a week ago he had brought his game to the table or whatever
according to KC.

Have to say he needs to take more drives in for the time he is on.
An offload and some passes before the line wouldn't go a miss either

Forget the offloads, let's just get him actully taking the ball in. Two many times we've had Amor and Walmsley take two drives in a set and mose just stood watching.

Can't fault many in the forwards today. Thought they played their part again.

Hull's defence was not as good as wigan's so we scored more points but again the lack of creativity and kicking game killed us.

It also didn't help that Bailey had a shocker on the wing. Understand that it was his debut, but a lot of the pressure came from his errors and he should have made that one on one tackle. I'm sure he'll be back in soon.

How did Ashworth do ?

He did ok. Made his tackles and carried the ball strong. Didn't do anything great but was solid enough.

Didnt look out of place

Here we go again ...



Let us check the SL stats before we take your (demonstrably biased) opinion seriously.

Mose made more tackles than EVERY forward (excluding Roby & Sav) and including Walmsley.

Mose missed two tackles - FIVE fewer than Amor.

Mose made seven hit ups - which doesn't sound a great deal. But we should remember that he plays fewer minutes. Consequently his hit ups are comparable with Amor's 11 and no worse than Flash (7), Thompson (5), Richards (7), Sav (9). On the plus side - Mose made more yards per carry than any other forward with the exception of Walmsley & Thompson.

Twenty five tackles for a guy Mose's size and limited time-on-pitch (with only two misses) is in NO WAY representative of your loaded assessment.

Let's just i know for fact he was on me if the players he was talking about. Fact!


Stop following me around on here. If you got a problem lets talk face to face at hudds next week ?

Let's put these into perspective though.

Firstly Mose always APPEARS to be second or third into a tackle does he get a T in the stats for that?

He is paid more than probably any other forward but does the least amount of minutes thus putting extra pressure on particularly Walmsley. Does this seem value for money?

Exactly mate and from day one I've said he comes in 3rd man which certain few on here will vouch for.

I 109% agree with him putting pressure on Amor and Walmsley as he wont do the tough yards. He's not seen when we stuck in our 20m zone and the likes of Amor and walmsley taking it twice in one set while he stood with his hands on hips.

Also, mugwamp or whatever he called needs to check another thread that's live at the moment on this board and see, it's not just me that thinks he's not pulling his weight.

Nothing irritates me more than lads running their blood to water while others stand there watching. When it's backs to the wall we need everyone chipping in.

He was brought in for his size and go forward but he might as well be 5ft and 12st with the effort he puts in.

All I'll say is he misses very few. For a guy who supposedly isn't interested.

If blame is to be attached to any forward I'd say Amor's name is a lot higher than Mose's. And given their ages and fitness compared with a Samoan blockbuster - I'd say neither Richards nor Thompson covered themselves with glory, either.

As for what Mose is or is not paid - neither you nor I have any idea. What I will say is that Mose's nature as an "impact forward" was determined long before he arrived at Saints. We knew what we were buying.

Mose has played long stretches in many games. Far longer than we had any right to expect. I'd prefer him playing 25-30 min stretches. Seems as though the coaching team does not.

He did just under 30 mins in his first spell Monday.

So that's amor, Richards, Thompson and mose that "didn't cover themselves in glory" but isn't this by far the best pack in the world ?

Facts tend to be readable first and comprehensible second. This is neither.



YOU are the guy running around with my name in your quote, telling the Pies to ban me from their board etc.

Sure sounds like obsessed stalker behaviour to me.

Seems the goons even think your total muppet.

Nope, I'd say Mose did ok.

What's instructive is the fact that you immediately pointed toward Mose as the culprit when it is patently obvious there were many worse performers. That's called - prejudice.

And you can keep pretending I said this is the "best pack in the world" as long as you like. It still doesn't make it true.

Should I laugh or should I cry?

The op asked a question and I answered. Other posters mention Mose and other names but you didn't jump on them? No

The is another thread that at moment with other posters suggesting Mose doesn't pull his weight. Did you jump on them ? No

Your a muppet mate.

Do what you like, your still a muppet

People are easily led. It only takes one person with a grudge to paint a target on some player's back and you can guarantee half of St. Helens will come running with spears and axes. And you are such a person.

I called you out last season for the same thing - despite the fact that Mose had effectively carried the heavy work in the pack for a third of the season (when he was gasping away dragging most of his weight and totally unfit).

Mercifully you were forced to shut up when Saints won the GF. But come the first sign of trouble and you are back to your old hobby horse with the tedious predictability of a Swiss clock.



And you are - wrong.

Forced to shut up in the grand final. He lasted 8 mins and had to be taken off for oxygen. He must hold the record for being subbed after 8 mins



I'm a team player and beleive in all pulling together. I can't stand to see Amor getting smashed every set while he stands with hands on his hips.

Your right, he did come back to training unfit and I can tell you saints wasn't happy and he was told about the weight he was carrying.

I've heard every excuse undsr the sun with Mose. He's not fit from post season surgery ( that was first 10 weeks of the season). He been told by coaching staff not to take the ball in our 20m zone ( utter madness). The coaches don't play him long enough (can he wear a oxygen pack on the field ?).

It's not because we lost I said him, Ive posted early in the season when we hadn't lost that I wouldn't pick him as he's giving us nothing.

If you put swifty or Tommys heart and atitude in Mose body we would have a hell of a player.

When you've played the game, you'd know that you can't carry players every week. That's my problem with him.