So does anybody know who who will be back for Warrington? Based on last night we need them all.

Sounds like Lomax & Percival could be very long term unfortunately.

From Saints website : "Cunningham also said there was no news on Jonny Lomax and Mark Percival as the club will seek second opinions before making a statement."

Yep

Sigh, will we ever get any luck with injuries?

Amor back from his ban and a relatively fit pack (I'm praying robes is fit) will keep us in most games, we just need a bit of luck with the ball to post enough points.

You get the impression our pack quite enjoys doing it tough but it's taking a lot out of the tank every week were having to battle the odds.

The fact we blooded the kids over the past few years without over playing them has really benefited us this year as we are able to beat and compete with the likes of lomax, percy, walsh, Roby, Amour and flash out. That's basically the spine of the team missing last night. Last week was another example when we only had 13 players for last 15 mins.

I've got to say, the player management of the young kids over the past few years have been excellent.

We should be OK as long as we don,t get any more injuries in the backs, when you think about it Lance can play anywhere in the back line and has been a reasonable defender as well.
For me the most important player is Burns, I think he has slotted in brilliant over a short space of time, sooner than later we can give Hewitt a game but he,s got to play alongside Burns.
Wellens and Jones are good deputies for Lomax and Percival, any news on Tommy Mak by the way.

A quick look at Brown at Huddersfield also shows that he brought through and developed a number of players there. Michael Lawrence, Lunt, Scott Moore (got him playing well and into the England squad when on loan from us, can disclude him if you wish), Leroy Cudjoe, Larne Patrick, Jermaine McGilvary, Joe Wardle, Dale Ferguson all came through when he was there and were playing regularly, some still there now.

Brown was just what we needed. He came at just the right time. His recruitment of walsh, Mose, walmsley, Vea, Burns, Amor, turner etc plus his management of the young players brought us on no end.

It's a shame he never had two halves in the two seasons he was here but the way he went about changing our game plan with the injuries he had was top quality

Percy, lomax, walsh will 100% be out that's for sure! I very much doubt robes will be back anytime soon either but robes being robes will prob put his hand up.

Tommy and flash will play.

Hasn't KC said Flash will be out for a month?

Not sure but I was told he will most probably be back.

Not looking good for Lomax and Percy though. Not good at all.

Nope and I hope robes isn't as bad as they think either.

You have to wonder what impact this will have on Lomax. If it is as bad as is being talked about, that will pretty much be two years of football he will have missed...

He'd lost pace from his last injury. That's not me noticing from the stands but its a fact.

It was just a question of when Lomax's leg was going to go again. Every tackle he's so careful to get up and he's stretching the leg constantly. As Pete has said above he's lost some pace too. That's why I think we should look to replace him.

I think we could struggle to score in this game. Considering they defended well against the best attacking team in the league it could be a long night for us.

It is noticeable, there have been a couple of breaks this year which I'd of expected him to finish but has got caught. Just before the Wellens try is the obvious example.

So what's the worst case scenario?

Wellens
Dawson Turner Jones Swift
Burns Wilkin
Amor Hohaia Walmsley
Greenwood Vea
LMS

Masoe Richards Thompson Hand

? Or are there more than that?

I take no pleasure in saying this but I agree. A top class fullback should definitely be towards the top of our shopping list now, irregardless of how long he is going to be out for.

He simply isn't dependable now and without that speed off the mark that he had, he suddenly becomes an average full back. There's also huge doubts about his defensive positional sense too.

I am not writing his Saints career off but fullback is a position we need to be seriously looking at.

He just needs to get fit surely.

How much of a pre-season did he get once he had recovered from injury. I think it's always the simple answer to replace someone, but players can come back.
I think Kevin Penny should be an example to all players about what getting your head down and working hard can achieve.

Kevin Penny is a completely different situation. He had to go away and work on his game and improve in various areas.

The situation with Lomax is about his fragility and his durability which is a much harder thing to work on and improve.

When players Lose that initial speed off the mark which as a player they rely on like lomax then it does become a problem.

It's not a case of just getting fit to get that natural speed back as injuries can take it away permanently.

Sean long lost that pace off mark he had which made him change the way he played. He was no longer the break maker and try scorer but he adapted to a more of ball playing 7 than the runner he was.


Lomax has the sort of mentality to adapt and he's a clever lad so this is hope. If that's as a fullback I don't know.

Could he play the utility role lance plays next year? He can cover fullback, halves and hooker.

Never thought of him as a hooker. But I can see the logic.

If we are going to lose Walsh next season and when Lomax finally gets back to fitness, maybe as suggested he should be brought back into the halves if young Hewitt is still not ready.
It seems Lomax injuries the majority of the time are as a result of high impacts be it running the ball out or defending against a player at speed.
Maybe we should bring him back into the game as a ball player, he can still wrong foot players at close quarters, at the moment he is still only 25 so we still have a few years to decide on the better options ..........when he becomes available of course.

We are missing:

Grix
Myler
Rhys Evans
England
Toby King

And possibly missing:

Monaghan
Harrison

Evans and England wouldn't be in your 17 anyway and who is Toby King?

Monaghan and Harrison are both rumoured to be back this week as well.

Lomax, Walsh and Roby missing for us is pretty drastic. It'll take another brave effort to get a win. I'll not be overly concerned about a loss given all our creative players are out. If we did win it would shut up the people who doubt our pack.