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| Will/should he play Friday if its not at 6 put johnny there and try lee at 1 or 13
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| Not heard any injury updates, but given last weeks squad, I would not move Lomax.
Straight swap Gaskell for Wheeler, the rest as you were pending injuries
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Not heard any injury updates, but given last weeks squad, I would not move Lomax.
Straight swap Gaskell for Wheeler, the rest as you were pending injuries'"
Walker? You wouldnt take him out? He'll be on the end of a steamrolling.
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| Quote ="Ande"Walker? You wouldnt take him out? He'll be on the end of a steamrolling.'"
Who do we drop in?
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Who do we drop in?'"
Walmsley, who was supposed to play last weekend anyway wasn't he? Walker was 18th man?
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| Walmsley for walker (first impressions last couple of weeks not good), gaskell for Wheeler.
Hopefully the rest as you were.
I think we may see Percival getting a rest after last week.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Walmsley for walker (first impressions last couple of weeks not good), gaskell for Wheeler.
Hopefully the rest as you were.'"
Nah, I'd like to see Makinson back in. Makinson challenges for bombs and completes try saving tackles. Gardner was incapable of doing either and it cost us.
Quote I think we may see Percival getting a rest after last week.'"
I hope not. I don't think that's necessary. He could be even more devastating at Wire because I think he's opposite someone his own size.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Nah, I'd like to see Makinson back in. Makinson challenges for bombs and completes try saving tackles. Gardner was incapable of doing either and it cost us.
I hope not. I don't think that's necessary. He could be even more devastating at Wire because I think he's opposite someone his own size.'"
Ade did more work in the Leeds game than Makinson in any of his games so far this season
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| I'd be more tempted to bring Makinson in for Meli of the two. Meli's work rate was dire last week.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"I'd be more tempted to bring Makinson in for Meli of the two. Meli's work rate was dire last week.'"
Me too, to be honest, but that's never going to happen. Meli never, ever gets dropped.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Ade did more work in the Leeds game than Makinson in any of his games so far this season'"
Did you go to Widnes? I did. I saw the three try saving tackles Makinson made to help win us the game. They were things of beauty; perfect technique, one on one, beautifully done and saved our bacon. And that was just one example in one game where Makinson did a lot more than Gardner - who basically invited a try to be scored.
Sorry, but you're talking utter tosh.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Did you go to Widnes? I did. I saw the three try saving tackles Makinson made to help win us the game. They were things of beauty; perfect technique, one on one, beautifully done and saved our bacon. And that was just one example in one game where Makinson did a lot more than Gardner - who basically invited a try to be scored.
Sorry, but you're talking utter tosh.'"
I often wonder if you have any comprehension of rugby league at all
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"I often wonder if you have any comprehension of rugby league at all'"
That's a poor avoidance technique you have there.
Gardner is great at being a forward. But he did not do in that one game more than Makinson has done in all of his this season. That's an insult to Makinson and reveals a lack of awareness in yourself.
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| Makinson has been well below his best all season, surely you agree on that? however, if he'd have been following Percival up the pitch i think at least a couple of those breaks could have been tries with his pace instead of Meli
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Makinson has been well below his best all season, surely you agree on that? however, if he'd have been following Percival up the pitch i think at least a couple of those breaks could have been tries with his pace instead of Meli'"
I agree on both points.
Makinson has been poor and wasn't great towards the end of last season too, but it did seem like Meli didn't have the pace to keep up with Percival - maybe Turner wing outside of Percival and then Meli/Gardner the other wing? I wouldn't try this against Wire tho!
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| Gardner is a one trick pony. Pretending to be a second row on exits sets. He is good at that.
The issues are is that all that you want from a winger and WTF are the forwards doing.
Re Makinson. He is a finisher with pace to beat people. He is a threat. Saints style of play
starves the right flank of ball therefore he has lived off scraps all last season ,playing outside
a one armed bandit in Shenton.
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Play Gardner in the SR ,
B*llock the other forwards for not having Gardner work ethic ,
Play makinson on either wing and give him some good ball.
Playing him outside Percival wouldn't be a bad idea.
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| I'd have both Makinson and Percival at centre. That is Makinsons main position afterall.
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| Gaskell and Walmsley in for Wheeler and Walker for me.
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| Quote ="Gerry Mander"Gardner is a one trick pony. Pretending to be a second row on exits sets. He is good at that.
The issues are is that all that you want from a winger and WTF are the forwards doing.
Re Makinson. He is a finisher with pace to beat people. He is a threat. Saints style of play
starves the right flank of ball therefore he has lived off scraps all last season ,playing outside
a one armed bandit in Shenton.
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Play Gardner in the SR ,
B*llock the other forwards for not having Gardner work ethic ,
Play makinson on either wing and give him some good ball.
Playing him outside Percival wouldn't be a bad idea.'"
Makinson isn't a threat though, that is the problem. He's anonymous in almost every game, coming up with the odd finish here and there but generally not contributing enough to warrant a shirt at the moment. Whilst Meli and Gardner are both clearly far from perfect, they offer more than Makinson is at present. Makinson should have been at fullback for the last 3 years, but instead is a timid, uninvolved winger.
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| Quote ="Gerry Mander"Gardner is a one trick pony. Pretending to be a second row on exits sets. He is good at that.
The issues are is that all that you want from a winger and WTF are the forwards doing.
Re Makinson. He is a finisher with pace to beat people. He is a threat. Saints style of play
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Play Gardner in the SR ,
B*llock the other forwards for not having Gardner work ethic ,
Play makinson on either wing and give him some good ball.
Playing him outside Percival wouldn't be a bad idea.'"
I'd be tempted to play Gardner second row too, he offers a lot going forward than some of our forwards. It makes me cringe, the force he takes the ball up.
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| Bump this for those wishing to discuss Gaskell v Lance.
Lance did ok, but got turned inside out for the Wire try in the first half.
Took his chance and scored a try. Would Gaskell have offered more seams academic after a good win, but if you want to debate it here's your chance.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Bump this for those wishing to discuss Gaskell v Lance.
Lance did ok, but got turned inside out for the Wire try in the first half.
Took his chance and scored a try. Would Gaskell have offered more seams academic after a good win, but if you want to debate it here's your chance.'"
It's quite simple for me. If the pack had performed in the games he played in as they performed tonight, what would we have seen of Gaskell? The lad gets dumped as a matter of routine when the problem isn't him - or at least not all him.
And he can kick goals too. And drop goals!
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| I'd still like to see Gaskell back as I think he's a better 6, but a lot of tonight was about hustle in defence, which Hohaia is good at. Often seems in danger of conceding a penalty at the ptb, though.
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| I get the feel by Good Friday lomax will be 1 Gaskell 6 Wilkin 7 roby 9 wellens 13 and lance 14 interchange hooker
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| I think we'll see him get a run either against Wakefield or Salford.
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