Has this ever happened before? For as long as I can remember we've always had a few auto-picks in there.

Is this a sign of the times? Warrington and Leeds have 12 between them I think. It's a bit of a damning indictment of our much heralded (By Eamon and the blind optimistics on here) squad isn't it that not one of them is good enough to play for England?

Full squad: Ablett, Atkins, Briscoe, S.Burgess, Burrow, Charnley, Chase, Cudjoe, Ellis, Graham, Hall, Hardaker, Hill, Hock, JJB, Mcllorum,Morley, Mossop, Myler, O'Loughlin, Sinfield, Tomkins, Watkins, Westwood

Morley's inclusion is a joke, Hill deserves his spot The rest are pretty hard to argue with I guess. I suppose this squad also gives Rogues chance to say McIllorum was chosen ahead of Roby

I'm afraid my heart dropped when I saw the squad and I went through the Saints possibles, with the exception of Robes and his hand injury. The reality is I'm not sure I would pick them on the strength of this season. I think the Knights squad would benefit from our youth but the senior squad will wait for a few seasons of development.
Sad state of affairs!

Interesting to see Wilkin left out after being captain in the last England game. It seems he has paid the price for getting properly schooled by the beaver in said game.

Unfortunately our backs are all either too early in their development, have been in too poor form/fitness or are just not good enough to warrant an England place. I think only Lomax and Shenton of our current backline could get into an England squad all things being equal and obviously neither are in a fit state for that at the moment. And our pack, good as it is, doesn't have a lot of eligible England candidates in it - LMS and Clough would still be good outside shouts but Wilkin has had a poor season unfortunately.

Wilkin isn't worth a spot.

LMS is perhaps the only player I think has been harshly left out. He's been our best player this season.

Agreed on both counts.

There's no one you could say would feel aggrieved to miss out.

The only positive is that in a few years you'd expect Makinson, Josh Jones, Lomax etc. to be full internationals as long as they sustain their development.

Thought it was a print error at first, forgot about Roby's injury!

Would have given Josh Jones a go myself. Not let himself down at all this season. Better choice than Ablett too, unless he will be playing in the pack (which is still terrible as he is a yard dog).

I am perfectly happy to see no Saints in the England squad. Aside from our dismal style of play this season which is bound to have had an impact on whether anyone at all was chosen, it is essential that Robes gets a rest. He's hardly had a break for a number of seasons and I personally would like to see him fresh and rested ready for our new coach to come on board next season.

The only omission I feel slightly bitter towards is LMS, he more than deserves a shot this season.

I thought Josh Jones and Lomax would have made it, but your pack next year dosn't sound very English apart from Roby>>> Perry Laffranci Manu Soliola+ Puletua not many of them from Thatto Heath but looking fearsome!!

Some of the names selected, shows that he is experimenting a little, but I would have thought our Cockney Saint was worth a shout as he has been a revelation in our pack since we've lost Graham. I thought he wouldn't have been able to make the step up but he has proved me wrong and probably many others (if they're honest).

But glad we have a squad able to rest and have a good pre season ready for 2013

I agree with this - going into next year with a fully refreshed squad is a real positive.

I feel for LMS, as it's a travesty that Mossop gets a spot before him, but from a Saints perspective it's all good.

Didn't someone on here say saints squad is oozing with quality ?

The depressing reality is although the England squad looks pathetic it's hard to argue against, we only have Roby. When you go through our English players they really are not good enough. Makinson for me is the only one who could push for a place.

Wellens - past it even at Super League level
Shenton - been poor this season
Jones - progressing well but never an international yet
Wheeler - always injured
Lomax - isn't good enough at 7 for international yet
LMS - too inconsistant
Clough - average
Flanagan - good tackler but never international
Wilkin - couldn't we have used him as as a transfer fee for Taylor from Hull KR?
Dixon - average
Gaskell - average

Lomax had a good start to the season, average middle of the season and a very poor end of season and IMO hasn't been good enough to be selected.

Josh jones is nowhere near ready and shouldn't be selected.

I think LMS was unlucky not to get a call, he's had a very good season.

Are you surprised? Mac doesn't know what he is doing!

I think Mac is taking them high altitude training next month, do you think someone has forgotten to tell him the altitude effect only last a few weeks and not until the world cup next year.

Yes it is. But most of that quality is either too foreign, too young, too badly coached or too old to make an England squad. Do try to keep up...

So you expect our overseas players to be selected?

If they have been resident for 5 years or more then why not. Criteria is good enough for Rangi Chase!

Sorry, I Forgot MacBanana hasn't got a clue what he's doing!!!!

Good news overall. It's a nothing tournament and if it had any meaning I'm sure some of our players would have been selected. Of more benefit to Saints is the fact that they will get a good rest and the new coach will have a full pre-season with all his players available.

The fact is, our squad doesn't ooze quality and they ain't good enough for England selection.

I think that's why I'm dissapointed LMS isn' in there, he MAY turn out to be an England regualr as he gets older, wouldn't he be worth a run in front of Morley?

Also, I'd be dissapointed if i were Big Eorl. He practically played Hull by himself the othr week.