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| Give em the job !!!!
Another top game. We look good in attack and solid in defence against a very good Dire side
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| Never going to happen for Rush. He wants to be in a job not in the casino role of coach.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Never going to happen for Rush. He wants to be in a job not in the casino role of coach.'"
Dunno , I think it can be addictive , once your in control and it's going well who would want to give it up?
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| He doesn't want the job, you can see on Sky how uncomfortable he is when the cameras are on him.
It's also far too early to judge them, we've not seen how the coaching gurus will cope when our current plan A, which is working spectacularly doesn't work. We've changed how we play the game under these two, arguably going way back to Millward's attacking plays. Last week and tonight were an all out assault on the ruck area and teams aren't coping with it. Plenty of dummy runners in attack to confuse the defensive line and a swarming defense.
Brilliant tactics and playing the way that suits our players. We were dominant in the pack again tonight in the spells that mattered.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"He doesn't want the job, you can see on Sky how uncomfortable he is when the cameras are on him.
It's also far too early to judge them, we've not seen how the coaching gurus will cope when our current plan A, which is working spectacularly doesn't work. We've changed how we play the game under these two, arguably going way back to Millward's attacking plays. Last week and tonight were an all out assault on the ruck area and teams aren't coping with it. Plenty of dummy runners in attack to confuse the defensive line and a swarming defense.
Brilliant tactics and playing the way that suits our players. We were dominant in the pack again tonight in the spells that mattered.'"
Thing is its' not really a plan A or B, were just doing the basics really well, running hard, dummy runners etc etc . We look to be playing with freedom rather than a rigid structure
Not sure where wello has found the extra yard of pace from though ...
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Give em the job !!!!
Another top game. We look good in attack and solid in defence against a very good Dire side'"
It's to early to judge rush and KC yet but very very impressive what they have done in two weeks.
The main thing they have done IMO, they have put that grit back into the lads. The defence in the second half was like the saints of old and then going up the other end and sia getting over.
Typical of saints to give late try away tho!
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| Quote ="St pete"It's to early to judge rush and KC yet but very very impressive what they have done in two weeks.
The main thing they have done IMO, they have put that grit back into the lads. The defence in the second half was like the saints of old and then going up the other end and sia getting over.
Typical of saints to give late try away tho!'"
Probably is a bit soon but I'm just enjoying th way we are playing at the moment, we look like Saints !!
Mike Rush is a bit reluctant but so is Guardiola at Barca and he's not doing a bad job
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Probably is a bit soon but I'm just enjoying th way we are playing at the moment, we look like Saints !!
Mike Rush is a bit reluctant but so is Guardiola at Barca and he's not doing a bad job
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Rush made a comment in the interview about Ajax, Barcelona playing football their way, and that he wants Saints to play rugby their way.......
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Probably is a bit soon but I'm just enjoying th way we are playing at the moment, we look like Saints !!
Mike Rush is a bit reluctant but so is Guardiola at Barca and he's not doing a bad job
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One things for sure from watching and taking to the lads, we've started to enjoy our rugby again.
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| Quote ="newport dave"Rush made a comment in the interview about Ajax, Barcelona playing football their way, and that he wants Saints to play rugby their way.......'"
And long may it continue
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| Quote ="newport dave"Rush made a comment in the interview about Ajax, Barcelona playing football their way, and that he wants Saints to play rugby their way.......'"
Mike Rush the Guardiola (or Rinus Michels) of St Helens !
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| I think there's been a combination of thing leading to our improvement over the last two games
i) As Robes said in his post match interview after Royce was sacked the lads had to take a good look in the mirror and admit they were desperately underperforming.
ii) The whole team have hit match fitness including Perry who, whilst still a few pounds over weight for me, has had a good two games.
iii) We've played two of the 'Big 3' and raised our game accordingly.
iv) We've had a largely settled squad/line up with no random chopping and changing for the sake of it.
v) Success and positivity breeds more of the same.
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vi) Urgency. We've not been the sluggish, slow and ruck dominated team we were for the first few weeks, we've been quick in the ruck in attack and defence and our line speed has been massively better than it was, our support running has been excellent too whereas in the opening games we had no options left or right when we broke tackles. Our 'lighter' more athletic pack have helped in this area too.
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"
vi) Urgency. We've not been the sluggish, slow and ruck dominated team we were for the first few weeks, we've been quick in the ruck in attack and defence and our line speed has been massively better than it was, our support running has been excellent too whereas in the opening games we had no options left or right when we broke tackles. Our 'lighter' more athletic pack have helped in this area too.'"
This! it's like a different team
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"I think there's been a combination of thing leading to our improvement over the last two games
i) As Robes said in his post match interview after Royce was sacked the lads had to take a good look in the mirror and admit they were desperately underperforming.
ii) The whole team have hit match fitness including Perry who, whilst still a few pounds over weight for me, has had a good two games.
iii) We've played two of the 'Big 3' and raised our game accordingly.
iv) We've had a largely settled squad/line up with no random chopping and changing for the sake of it.
v) Success and positivity breeds more of the same.
and the big one for me
vi) Urgency. We've not been the sluggish, slow and ruck dominated team we were for the first few weeks, we've been quick in the ruck in attack and defence and our line speed has been massively better than it was, our support running has been excellent too whereas in the opening games we had no options left or right when we broke tackles. Our 'lighter' more athletic pack have helped in this area too.'"
I agree with all this. I think the latter point is part and parcel of revving up as the season gets underway.
Mike Appleton said on Twitter that wasn't it good to see Meli enjoying his rugby again on the wing. Well sure, that's great for Meli, but it is not the best place for him to play. Had Warrington been on their game tonight, or Leeds last weekend, we would have been peppered down that side and much joy would have been had, especially with the daft decision to debut a player on that side against Warrington. I think indulging the senior players will come back to bite us.
Also, we looked fragile at one point in the second half when Warrington actually brought the game to us. We began making mistakes and giving away penalties. So even with Meli happy on the wing we look a long way from the side people are claiming we look like.
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| I like rush and KC way of thinking. It's like the old school way of thought. They ain't trying to be to clever with stupid ideas and methods and it's working.
We took josh jones off at just the right time for him and the team.
We are using substitutions better with perry and laffranchci giving us a great starting platform.
They seem very old school and I like it.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I agree with all this. I think the latter point is part and parcel of revving up as the season gets underway.
Mike Appleton said on Twitter that wasn't it good to see Meli enjoying his rugby again on the wing. Well sure, that's great for Meli, but it is not the best place for him to play. Had Warrington been on their game tonight, or Leeds last weekend, we would have been peppered down that side and much joy would have been had, especially with the daft decision to debut a player on that side against Warrington. I think indulging the senior players will come back to bite us.
Also, we looked fragile at one point in the second half when Warrington actually brought the game to us. We began making mistakes and giving away penalties. So even with Meli happy on the wing we look a long way from the side people are claiming we look like.'"
It's good to see Meli and the rest of the lads enjoying playing rugby again tho.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Also, we looked fragile at one point in the second half when Warrington actually brought the game to us. We began making mistakes and giving away penalties.'"
To be fair that was always going to happen with them playing on the friday and us on the Sunday. We did look fatigued at that point which could account for the errors, and after getting the slight rub of the green in the first half Thaler was always going to even it out in the second, piggy-backing them up the pitch.
I do agree though we are still a way off our potential best.
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"To be fair that was always going to happen with them playing on the friday and us on the Sunday. We did look fatigued at that point which could account for the errors, and after getting the slight rub of the green in the first half Thaler was always going to even it out in the second, piggy-backing them up the pitch.
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Maybe it was fatigue but it's been the same since the Grand Final.
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| Quote ="St pete"It's good to see Meli and the rest of the lads enjoying playing rugby again tho.'"
We're assuming they are all enjoying their rugby or indeed that they didn't enjoy it previously. Roby looks just the same as he always looks, for example. But he is a true professional and gives it his all in every game. He is one of the few senior players I can still admire. Wello is another one, but he was outstanding for us last season too, as was Robes of course.
Enjoying your rugby isn't enough to win games. Sometimes it's just hard graft that is required, which isn't so enjoyable.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Maybe it was fatigue but it's been the same since the Grand Final.'"
are you actually on crack? the team that played tonight and last night is the same that played the previous 6 games???? It's like a complete transformation!
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"are you actually on crack? the team that played tonight and last night is the same that played the previous 6 games???? It's like a complete transformation!'"
No, dumbass. I was responding to Tony Stark's point about fatigue and their fragility in the second half. Try reading my post before you have a go. Just for a change. G'won, I dare ya.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"We're assuming they are all enjoying their rugby or indeed that they didn't enjoy it previously. Roby looks just the same as he always looks, for example. But he is a true professional and gives it his all in every game. He is one of the few senior players I can still admire. Wello is another one, but he was outstanding for us last season too, as was Robes of course.
Enjoying your rugby isn't enough to win games. Sometimes it's just hard graft that is required, which isn't so enjoyable.'"
Winning games, playing good rugby, fans buzzing, winning bonus = enjoying rugby
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I agree with all this. I think the latter point is part and parcel of revving up as the season gets underway.
Mike Appleton said on Twitter that wasn't it good to see Meli enjoying his rugby again on the wing. Well sure, that's great for Meli, but it is not the best place for him to play. Had Warrington been on their game tonight, or Leeds last weekend, we would have been peppered down that side and much joy would have been had, especially with the daft decision to debut a player on that side against Warrington. I think indulging the senior players will come back to bite us.
=#FF0000Also, we looked fragile at one point in the second half when Warrington actually brought the game to us. We began making mistakes and giving away penalties. So even with Meli happy on the wing we look a long way from the side people are claiming we look like.'"
But, in all that time we only let one try in.......that's how fragile we were....
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| Quote ="St pete"Winning games, playing good rugby, fans buzzing, winning bonus = enjoying rugby'"
But I don't think a 'senior players must enjoy their rugby' is a very reliable long term approach. Hard work, maintaining concentration, not making daft offloads ... all the boring things in life are what get you the wins. And appeasing one bloke who has leaked tries in every GF so far and who regularly switches off near the goal line throughout the season is not a tactic I agree with or think will be productive in the long term. If I'm proven wrong and Meli has had some kind of revelation then so be it but just now I think the keep the senior players happy regardless philosophy will bite us in the backside.
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| Quote ="newport dave"But, in all that time we only let one try in.......that's how fragile we were....'"
Likewise against Bradford, for instance, when we were down to 12 men. We didn't concede. Our defence has been improving for a few weeks. We did, however, let in a try on the death (again) and Warrington did rather like messing up their attacking plays near our line, which helped us it has to be said. We were let off quite a few times by their unforced errors.
I made all manner of excuses for us last season because we were a team under pressure of injures with a lot of young players coping under adversity. Now that we have what the Sky guys labelled 'the old guard' back again, there are no excuses.
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