The gang tackling and laying on is ridiculous. They can take as long as they like and he would rather read a book than penalise them.

Why if the rfl won't employ proper referees aren't we copying them and refusing to move off the tackled player? It's allowing them complete control of the game. Naivity in the coaching and players.

As a transitory Saints fan, the biggest issue has been around the PTB when Wigan have the ball - they make 2-3 metres by jogging off the mark.

Not that I'm that worried - Saints have got away with that for years.

Saddened.. Why don't you nip to Tesco for some more sour grapes.

No sour grapes at all. Wigan clearly deserve it, it's more a question about why we don't attempt to copy them?

yawn,yawn,yawn excuses,excuses.

We Can See You Sneaking Out....

best team won.. 3 teams left for gf hudds wigan and wire..on that performance you`ll be lucky to get in the top 4...hull kr will be licking their lips at a one off game at your rented dump in the cc

Saints would still have beaten most teams in the league if they played like that against anyone else.

Though that says more about the rest of the league...

Gang tackling is legal, and you can lay on until the ref calls it held. Dominant tacklers are alllowed more time to peel off.
Grasping at this straw just smacks of excuses. If you completed your sets and didn't drop the ball, it would have been a lot closer.

So after you got beat by Salford I am guessing that Wigan will be licking their lips for your matches in the future? Or does losing one game and not being able to bounce back not apply to Wire?

to get totally thrashed and outplayed by your nearest rivals and home turf tells its own story..i`ll have you a bet now you dont win at ot

But Hull KR got thrashed by Wigan so why should they be licking their lips?
And I never said anything about OT or us winning there, so why bring it up? I know Wire don't know what its like to play there, but don't always bring it up!

I believe the term is, do one.

Yes we were beat by the better team, but judging off your posts here.

Salford > Warrington

That is of course only if your not completely and utterly biased. Which indeed you are, so do us a favour and spill your drivel elsewhere.

I think Saints are still in with a shout for OT. No team seems to be running away with it this season as all of the top teams have had poor games every so often. This was one of yours and no doubt you'll bounce back. If you could just wait until after next week to improve, that would be much appreciated.

It's all a big conspiracy.

It's quality coaching and defense. A lot of it is borderline but if the ref allows it then there is no need to stop. I just wonder why Saints don't try it.

theres 2 that bit..but the truth of tonite is you are not good enough..wigan did`nt have to do a great deal to beat you..no doubt you`ll make excuses about your injuries or your favourite the ref..bring back agent silverwood for next week

Fair enough, it's just when you said I thought you was having a a massive whinge.

I was. It's not nice watching your side being tactically destroyed. I think the ref should have been stronger but I don't blame Wigan for the tactics.

I don't like the rule of extra time at the ruck when more men are involved in the tackle, but I don't understand why we don't do it ourselves if that's the way the rules are currently enforced. The speed of the ruck wins games at the end of the day, control it and you're on the front foot. It's ugly to watch but it works.

Theres nothing wrong with it, and its great defence, like saddened says, the real question is why dont we do it?

It was not so much he goons gang tackling and laying on, it was the goons moving up quickly in our faces for best part of an hour which limited our momentum to around 4 metres per play. We were soft and loose in the tackle and allowed them to make 10 metres per play. Coley had a field day making ground.
Once again we let the opposition get the upper hand at the start of the game and play catch up football, no excuses with injuries, our executions and plays were poor.

Because we arent as fit as a freak Wigan side.

We get battered in the tackle and we dont have the energy to do it back, see our "go forward" through that game compared to the Wigan side. Maybe it is a mentality too?

But you see this is rubbish. We did it at the Magic weekend; we did it at the DW.

It's got nothing to do with our tackling style versus theirs. It's got everything to do with our lack of desire versus their utter determination. But even when that ran out, in the second half, we had lots of try scoring chances that we bombed through our inability to keep hold of the bloody ball. That is what is so galling. Losing at the DW hurt like hell but man did we fight! We never gave up! Tonight was just annoying and embarrassing and I refused to even acknowledge the players I was so mad at their bad attitude.

1. Do you know where ot is?
2. At least our nearest rivals are not salford.