WTF why is O'Loughan playing at centre?, so we play kids to build to the future and then someone who has never played centre (to my knowledge) and surely wont play again esp for england.

and with that said its the same as Lee Smith to join up with the team, we wont even be in rugby league at christmas and hes in the team what a load of $*!&

rant over

I'm feeling your pain. It's embarassing. We're obviously behind the big 2 but we don't half make an embarassing mess out of the international scene.

On Sky Sports 2 you've got a packed house watching a Union Champions League game. That sport is so well run in comparison to League its untrue.

here here, they have made some big steps in union over the last 10 years at the club level and international game has always made ours look sunday league, the only credit i would give the kick and clap lot ... but we really need to take page out of their book

Pube head's defence will be great in the second row against the Aussies and Kiwis.

totally agree . Smith shouldnt be in the squad (he's made a choice to leave the game and now he's finished with Leeds he should be off to Union) and O'Loughlin should never be playing centre at International Level. Personally I'd have in the second row.

This wasn't international level, this was akin to Northern Rail Cup stuff. I got bored after 20 minutes and watched the Union.

Plus, if Paul Sykes is an international full back, there is hope for me!

I'm half watching it. tbh it's just Mickey Mouse stuff. From the very begining with the botched up national anthems it's looked poor.

And yeah Paul Sykes is a joke

O'loughlin has had a great game at centre but he will play SR or Loose in the 4 nations.

Sam Tomkins = outstanding 3 tries and 3 assists.

Paul Sykes has had one of the worst international performances I have ever seen.

on the plus said the bookies should be offering some better odds now for the four nations

aussies and kewis must be rubbing their hands together

Sykes is just not good enough - I'm not even sure he's good enough for the Dulls.

The Troll's played very well but this 'game' is just a training match

That was so dull I almost watched X Factor.

You can't call Tomkins outstanding for that performance. You could pick any half back from a SL academy and put them in against that lot and they'd score plenty.

NL2 stuff that tonight, England were dreadful, totally lacking in structure and direction, the only times they were dangerous was when balls hit the floor and Wales didn't react.

Sykes at full back was stupid.
He only got in the squad due to his good form at stand off in Bradford's end of season run. So Smith switches him to full back.
Sykes should be dropped and Smith should have been sacked after the World Cup. Smith shouldn't be anywhere near the England set up!
The Aussie and Kiwis won't be laughing at all, their chins will hit the floor at how absolutely dreadful the game is here as they'll think that's our level. Thing is how much improvement can Tony Smith get out of them?
We shall see!
As a Wigan fan I'd agree with Tomkins MOM but why Myler? Ratchford played until the season's end and was in form. Myler hadn't played.
Ratchford should have been in the halves.
Let's hope they can improve when the Leeds and Saints player take part.

I agree, but he was the best player on the field. You can't ask for more.

He has been the best halfback in Superleague this season. Cut the kid some slack.

I'm not criticising him. I think the lack of organisation is due to the coaching rather than the young half backs. Look at how wel drilled Wales looked with the ball, some of their angles and moves were very impressive. They don't have the players to carry it off though.

You can only play whats infront of you. He played miles better than Myler. His defence was great and he was so allert and read the game so well. Two of his tries were pure class and not many other players could of scored them!

He is the best we have!

I wonder if the Aussies and Kiwis have jumped back on the plane tonight after seeing the mighty England trounce an amazing Welsh side??

Bet they're both bricking it now



MASSIVE improvement needed if we're going to do anything!

mcguire has to play and will I'm my opinion! If he doesn't it means the whole back line are pretty much rookies!

"You can't win anything with kids"

Briscoe
Hall
Shenton
Eastmond
Smith
Tomkins
McGuire

Then the usual suspects in the pack, Peacock Moz Jammer etc

My thoughts too. I was actually quite encouraged by the Welsh performance and I think they do have some players capable of carrying off the moves (with more practice, confidence and opportunity) but one in particular was prone to dropping the ball. With Wales they were always going to be the development team but they were improved on last year and Harris et al have clearly got a response from them already. With good coaching and consistent ongoing investment, Wales could have a reasonable team in a few years' time if the raw potential of tonight is anything to go by.

You do know what happened last year don't you?
I didn't take too much notice but my 2 boys were watching and ended up watching union because "it's more exciting dad"
Reckon our game is fooked

McGuire at scrum half with Tomkins? With a combination like that we could see the first game of rugby league without a pass from the half-backs!

Which english stand off had the most try assists in sl?

danny mcguire

(sl web site does not take play offs into account)

He only passes after he breaks the line, as does Tomkins. So who is going to direct the team around? They play stand off at their respective clubs for a good reason.

Mcguire has always played awesome at scrum half! I think he's just as good in either role!

TS is alway bangin on about picking the form players? Then he has to go with sinfield! rhinos player of the year, as good as if not the best player in the play off's! harry Sunderland winner?