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Lucky to win today me thinks.

Why do you say 'lucky'?

We didn't play particularly well today and escaped with the win regardless. Call it 'a professional showing' if you like.

a win is a win and we have had a poor record over there so its a good win in my books

I see what you did there.

However, you are not giving Catalans enough credit. Some of those tries were breath taking. If we had scored them, we would be filling the pages with written jizz.

Very tough to place to go. Good result.

Great win.

Good to see we can still win games late on.

especially after being 22...10 down..good comeback

certainly was a gd win had me sweating

Just like the old days when we never knew we was beat until the final hooter.

Nowt lucky about I all. Deserved it with that second half display.
Ill agree about the missing letter though.

Good job we had a solid wall in the second half...

No matter how it came, a win is a win and 2 points. Catalan is a difficult place to go to and we've come away with the win, it's a great win for us.

It is strange how our D is so bad this year.

Any ideas why?

IMO it's coz we keep shifting our 2nd rows about each week. Our outside defence on longs, gidley, Gardner and who ever the 2nd row out there that week is very poor.

Coach?

To be fair I think DA might ave had same problem.

A little squad and a oldish squad a year older.

Long was a rock in defence over recent season outwide but know is also weak in defence.

Potter can't be doing to bad, we top of league and in Q/final of challenge cup

Longy had an absolute stinker in defence. Lost count of the number of tackles he missed. That and a couple of Meli brainfarts. Put ourselves under too much pressure. But sure was an exciting last five minutes.

Nah, I don't think so. He didn't for three years anyway, except the occasional match (I don't expect a team to be on form every week!). Potter came with the reputation from Catalans of being not exactly defensively sound and of not being the best at discipline (the two are probably connected). Sure enough, our defenses have slipped and we are around the middle of the bathroom table when it comes to discipline. Under Anderson we had the best defence in the league and we won some taps last year. That was only last season; I can't see even Longy and KC ageing to such a degree in less than 12 months that they can't achieve the same degree of discipline!

Unfortunately the issues described in the posts above have been inherited by MP which is worrying as one of the first steps in management is to address the weaknesses. Something we have failed to do for the past two years and have continued that into this season.

At times his season we have been far more inventive under MP than DA, however DA seemed to be a taskmaster at defence which was the cornerstone of his CC success for three years running and for our 2006 title winning season.

I don't think our discipline is as bad as it appears (which may seem like a daft statement to make). We are not a particularly dirty side and have been wrongly penalised many times (as do all teams).

I still feel that both this and next season are ones of transition as we phase out Long, KC, and Gidley and replace the likes of Cayless for new players (whether they be brought through the youth system or signed from elsewhere) and hopefully our coaching and executive teams get the recruitment right.

I can't help feeling though that our squad looks tired and at times disinterested (the Bradford, Wigan and yesterdays first half games being the cases in point).
I think Graham needs a rest as for the past few games he has looked fatigued and has lacked his usual drive, but again this is a coaching decision that must be made at the correct time.

Personally though I have enjoyed the start of this season more than the previous two, as we now have a more competitive league where wins are not guaranteed for any team, which only adds to the excitement.

KC defence this season is very very poor. I've never seen him miss tackles like he has this year.

Longy used to get little credit for his defence out wide but for years It was top draw. In games I've seen him mark the likes if Faz and seinor out of big games with great defence.

Both are in rapid decline and are not 30% of what they was last season.

The weaknesses of some players were clearly visible under DA and were never addressed.

You would also be amazed at how much difference 12 months makes in terms of fitness and conditioning. As someone who used to participate in competitive athletics I can vouch for just how much your energy levels can alter even within a particular season. Combine that with the battering that a rugby player takes every week, new coaching techniques it makes for a massive difference.

Superb 2nd half effort from St Helens RLFC. To be hit for 10 points in a couple of minutes just before half time and make the scoreboard read 22 - 10 must have been a bit of a tough thing to gulp down. But the boys came out, muscled up and did the bizz. Again we let in a bucket full of points, something we have been doing for 5 weeks or so now, but this game is ok to allow the points in, the dragons like to rack up a fair few points at home and those fans sure help out to.

The game looked to haev took a bit out of our lads though, few knocks picked up and some massive hits put into our lads. PLenty aching bodies this morning, hopefully the red wine soothes the aches though.

Great win, not many will go to frog and go behind 22 - 10 and come away with a WIN ! Big 2 points, we remain first just like we have been for the past 4 and half years, long may it continue.

DEFENCE !

We should also not count out the fact that these two players have won everything time and time again. This can, in some cases, result in a lack of drive and I believe it is where a good coach excels in getting the best out of players. Two examples of this can be taken from football. Both Ryan Giggs of Man Utd and Ray Kennedy of Liverpool (74-82).

Re: Giggs. Ferguson knows that he is a player past his best for 90 mins week in week out, but can still be a vital weapon for short spells or on certain matches due to his superior technical ability and footballing brain.

Re: Kennedy. Paisley purchased Kennedy at a time when he was a striker, however, one in decline. He then altered Kennedy's position to that of an attacking midfielder, which he excelled at.

I think MP needs to start to look at both Long and KC and analyze how they can be utilized more effectively.

We pretty much dominated the second half last night. In the first half Catalans were superb and were forcing the game although I did think we were creeping back into it in the final quarter of an hourbut suffered the tries before the break.

After the break our kicking game improved and our defence stepped up a bit. Great result considering our record over there.

some of us appear to be moaning but were top of the league cant be doing to much wrong? especially that other teams have got better