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| Quote ="Blobbynator"Having watched the game again though, we were our own worst enemies at times. 8-0 up, playing really well and we didn't kill them off. Big mistake!'"
You can't kill off a champion quality side so early in today's competition but I agree that our mistakes gifted them the game. Pretty much all Leeds points came off the back of Saints mistakes. Penalty for the first, Wello being slow across for the 40/20 (you could say this was great play by Sinfield but Wello looked slow for me), muffed kick, muffed kick off, penalty and knock on. We didn't deserve that.
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| Quote ="The Black Cat"Am I blind or are there just idiots posting on this thread? It was offside end of! Forget whether he looks in front or behind, forget the nonsensical rule that doesn't exist that he was behind the ball as well. You only have to look who was nearest to the ten meter line and see it was McGuire and therefor Smith offside. Ruined a good game for which Saints could still have won!'"
I find that laughable.
It was a very exciting final - very. To say it was ruined by a call that could have gone either way is nonsense to say the least.
Its pointless to say "which Saints could still have won!" well yes but by teh same token you could easily say "Leeds could have scored twice more". the fact of the matter is you simply can't know what would have happened.
The call was 50/50 - I've seen them given, I've seen them disallowed. The angle they really needed was the angle that was clearly obscured by the camera gantry. IMO Bentham had no choice other than to award the try
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| Quote ="daves"Just watched it back and it looks a 50/50 call on the replays.Some you get,some you don't'"
Well you got the 50/50 call on Eastmoors try it looked like a clear knock on to me having touched his hand it then makes contact with Donald BEFORE he regathers and scores.
Cancel out that try and Smiths try and we are still clear winners 2 tries to none
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| Quote ="orford_addict"as a Wire fan looking in thought Benthams on-side call for Lee Smiths last try was VERY dubious : as much as I don`t like Saints (sorry !!) in any other match with any other video ref I think the try would have been ruled out
but a great effort by Saints and well done !!'"
He'd ave scored even if he was on-side. If you look at the replay theres about six Saints players stood still watching him go over the line.
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| Quote ="Crosfielder"He'd ave scored even if he was on-side. If you look at the replay theres about six Saints players stood still watching him go over the line.'"
Thats because they all stopped because he was off-side.
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| Quote ="Agent Mulder"Thats because they all stopped because he was off-side.'"
I take it you're being sarcastic because there's no way they knew he was offside, even if he was.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I thought and still think he was offside, but I also think there is doubt about Eastmonds try. I can't believe we were never shown a "side on view" which would have confirmed whether it was a knock on or not.
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Very surprised that was given to be fair. The SKY team made their minds up very quickly, but that was equally contentious (in fact more so) than the Smith try for me.
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| Sorry If this was brought up in the previous pages but I cant be bothered reading about It....BUT all this could have been avoided. If you back go to were leeds started the build up to this try you see the leeds player kick the ball forward at the play the ball.
by the way stella was lovely in the premier inn yesterday afternoon.............no stella the drink.
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| Quote ="The Black Cat"Am I blind or are there just idiots posting on this thread? It was offside end of! Forget whether he looks in front or behind, forget the nonsensical rule that doesn't exist that he was behind the ball as well. You only have to look who was nearest to the ten meter line and see it was McGuire and therefor Smith offside. Ruined a good game for which Saints could still have won!'"
Yes it would seem you qualify. Didnt ruin a good game at all, only thing that ruins the GF is sore losers.
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| Quote ="jeronimo"Yes it would seem you qualify. Didnt ruin a good game at all, only thing that ruins the GF is sore losers.'"
I'm a Salford fan so the result wasn't an issue for me, we'd beaten both teams in the regular season anyway
If you think that incorrect decisions don't ruin a game maybe you should watch R.U. I could understand it if it was the refs call but to have all that technology and still make the wrong decision it makes a mockery of the whole game and ruins it!
Proof of that is the pages and pages of people discussing the try that never was instead of the quality of the game. As has been quoted elsewhere "even Stevie Wonder saw it was offside"!
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| Thought Leeds were the better side but that doesn't alter the fact it was offside. At 11-10 anything could've happened.
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| Quote ="bexandy-FC"Thought Leeds were the better side but that doesn't alter the fact it was offside. At 11-10 anything could've happened.'"
Coupled with the fact we had two tries ruled out.
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"Coupled with the fact we had two tries ruled out.'"
Yeah but they weren't tries.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Yeah but they weren't tries.'"
I know. Hence they were ruled out.
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| As a neutral, it's simple it was offside, watching Smith's post match interview you could see he was slightly embarassed.
Having said that Yorkshire won
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| Quote ="Birkbygiant"it's simple it was offside'"
Clearly it wasn't!
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| [urlhttp://viewtopic.php?t=432905[/url
=redFeel free to comment on the thread in hand though, rather than just trolling. Carlos.
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| Quote ="RescuedBlue"Clearly it wasn't!
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Exactly - Bentham looked at it enough times. It was hardly the obvious decision people are making out.
He looked at it repeatedly and came to the only conclusion possible IMO from the views he had. If, he had the over head view which was blocked by the gantry then he possibly would have ruled it out but in the circumstances he could do nothing else
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| Whether it was on or offside - it doesn't matter. The try was awarded & the resat is history. Maybe it was a payback for the Joynty "voluntary tackle"?
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| Quote ="Birkbygiant"As a neutral, it's simple it was offside, watching Smith's post match interview you could see he was slightly embarassed.
Having said that Yorkshire won
'" Do you even know what the rules are? Smith had to have both feet behind the ball
which was so close to call. It was a total 50/50 that went Leeds way! Just the same as: did eastmond knock on? some you get some you don't
For mine eastmond knocks the ball forward into donalds arm, at that point it's a knock on! a tough call, a 50/50 that went saints way.
Some you get some you don't.
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| Quote ="Birkbygiant"As a neutral, it's simple it was offside, watching Smith's post match interview you could see he was slightly embarassed.
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You are the embaressment mate. Learn the rules if you are going to watch the game. It really will help you avoid making such a fool of yourself
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| Great game of no frills rugby and a shame that people will remember the "decision" rather than give all 34 players credit for really giving their all.
Thought Leeds just shaded it overall but was a titanic struggle at times.
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| Quote ="Fearnhead Cross"Whether it was on or offside - it doesn't matter. The try was awarded & the resat is history. Maybe it was a payback for the Joynty "voluntary tackle"?'"
.... and the Mick Withers/Leon Pryce fingernail???
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