True, it's not like Laffranchi carries the ball more, tackles more, makes more tackle busts, makes more offloads . . . . . is it?

Mossop has a very high yards per carry at just under 8. Given that he's made no cleans breaks to distort that figure, its shows he's giving them excellent go forward. I'm glad he's missing as I think he's turned into a major player for them.

its a pity Richards is back. Charnley's boot looks a little wayward and could've been the difference if things are close.

I know, he's a cracking player and I agree he'll go on to be Britain's best prop. But to say us missing Laffranchi isn't comparable is just tosh. La Frank has been huge for us the last couple of weeks.

sorry that didnt come across as i wanted, i think laffranchi is a good player alot better than i thought he was going to be and i put that on another thread somewhere. what i mean is i dont think laffranchi will be your man go forward man where as this season mossop has been wigans.

Yes, and to be fair, I posted his stats compared to Morley's in the run up to the Leeds game and they were virtually identical. Since then the extra movement and pace we've brought in has seen all our props go up a gearand are all impressing.

If Wane could have picked two players to remove from Saints, those two would have been 2 and 3 behind Roby. Wellens being out means we're devoid of a captain and a leader. Someone like Josh Perry really needs to stand up now and be really vocal.

Losing Laffranchi is a disaster and just shows how weak the squad is, there is no replacement for him.

If both had played we would have won IMO, the momentum was all behind us to kill them off early. Now the cat is well amongst the pidgeons and I can see us being turned over.

You can't really compare stats like for like with Mossop and Laffranchi though. When Mossop was fully fit he was averaging 108 metres and 26 tackles per game.
Because of his injury he's ended up playing 3 games after that where he's gone off injured after 20 minutes and that's dragged the numbers way down.

In the games that haven't been cut short by his ankle injury Mossop has been immense for Wigan, and without him the pack struggled until Prescott got back up to speed.

We all rate Mossop, but in a similar vain, Saints weren't firing at all until 2 games ago, so I'd expect Boof's stats to start to improve.

Mossops a blow to Wigan, Laff' is a blow to Saints. I think what we're worried about is that we've only just started firing, so ANY change is going to concern us.

Wigan forum saying Lockers out of the Wigan 19 now?

Super League summary

St Helens won 26 (includes win in 2000 Grand Final & wins in 2000, 2002, 2009 and 2011 play-offs)
Wigan won 27 (includes win in 2010 Grand Final & wins in 2001, 2003 and 2004 play-offs)
4 draws
St Helens highest score: 57-16 (MM, 200icon_cool.gif (also widest margin)
Wigan highest score: 65-12 (A, 1997) (also widest margin)

Hope we can even the fixture up tomorrow with 27 wins each?

Safe to say it is hard to believe much of the team news coming from Wigan at the moment with any confidence as there has been more smoke and mirrors than from fire in mirrorworld!

Undoubtedly he'd be a big loss to their defence and the width to their attack but even if he has dropped out today like Farrell i'd not be surprised to see at least one of them make a lazarus style recovery tomorrow.

Lockers out of the 19 and Logan Tomkins replaces him.

Expect a wigan team of something like

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Darrell Goulding
4. George Carmont
5. Pat Richards
6. Brett Finch
7. Tommy Leuluai
8. Paul Prescott
9. Michael McIllorum
10. Jeff Lima
11. Harrison Hansen
12. Gareth Hock
13. Chris Tuson

14. Gil Dudson
15. Tom Spencer
16. Jack Hughes
17. Joe Mellor

Bit different from...

A man can change his mind. If a player plays terribly I can say he's playing terribly. If he then turns into Mal Meninga overnight I'll praise the player. I don't carry grudges and I won't stubbornly hold my opinion on players if they improve and show the required level of commitment and performance. Laffranchi has done that, a quiet, rather anonymous start has developed into an important cog. The last two games he's out muscled and out performed some stellar names.

Same with Perry. If they can consistently play like they have recently they will be great for us.

Whats the summary for all time, not just post 1996. You do know that rugby was played before then do you ?

They already know, I've posted it but it's not something they like to talk about.

Why would we want to talk about Wigan's superior record on a Saints site? If you want to talk about that why not go on your own board?

We're not talking about NL1 on here either, as nobody is too bothered about semi-pro rugby.

the past, even the recent past matters very little. Its tomorrow i'm interested in. Its like saying we've won more SL titles than wigan, so what?

Wouldn't be hard tho, they only got two

Heard something that a Wigan fan working at your kitmans house has put itching powder in the Saints kitbag with the kit in. Dont shoot the messenger.

yep, he takes all 17 sets of kits home in one bag!
You're intelligent enough to type, you can't possibly believe any part of that?

That's the least of our worries, apparently the 'Brigantes' have got Balloons AND torn up paper. I'm not sure how the lads will cope with seeing that.

Your sig makes me chuckle.

Now please leave and don't come back again.