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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I know that secretly you Saints fans respect him and wish he had stayed at his home town club...you would certainly have won some of those last five Grand Finals if you had him in your side.'"
If he'd have stayed we'd never had signed Sean Long so errr no thanks.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"If he'd have stayed we'd never had signed Sean Long so errr no thanks.'"
Totally agree
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"If he'd have stayed we'd never had signed Sean Long so errr no thanks.'"
I agree but I still like lee. He's been very good super league player. We could have done with him for past three years, that's for sure.
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| The Long/Briers situation is similar to the Iestyn Harris saga a few months earlier to that.If we'd have signed Harris we'd have never been able to afford Paul Sculthorpe instead.
AJM did us a right favour there without realising it.
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| Quote ="Tuco"The Long/Briers situation is similar to the Iestyn Harris saga a few months earlier to that.If we'd have signed Harris we'd have never been able to afford Paul Sculthorpe instead.
AJM did us a right favour there without realising it.'"
Who's AJM ?
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| Sad to see people knock a great talented player like Lee Briers, who has served the game of rugby well! Easy also to find his faults, which I am sure he would admit, well we could list Many Saints players in the same era with their problems off the pitch as well, we could start with Long got one! There is no doubt Saints could have done with Lee's services in the last few months.
Lee Briers was treated badly by St Helens at the time and no one could blame him for leaving and he has been a loyal player for his club since. I find it difficult to understand when players leave a club or play for a rival club people can't accept their talent.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Sad to see people knock a great talented player like Lee Briers, who has served the game of rugby well! Easy also to find his faults, which I am sure he would admit, well we could list Many Saints players in the same era with their problems off the pitch as well, we could start with Long got one! There is no doubt Saints could have done with Lee's services in the last few months.
Lee Briers was treated badly by St Helens at the time and no one could blame him for leaving and he has been a loyal player for his club since. I find it difficult to understand when players leave a club or play for a rival club people can't accept their talent.'"
I'm a big fan of lee Briers, always have been since he was a kid at saints. I don't think he was treated as bad as people make out, he was never keeping Goulding shirt, he was only playing while he was banned.
How many people in all honesty wouldn't pick bobbie Goulding for the final? He was our main man and IMO the best #7 in the world at the time.
Lee briers wanted to play first team, saints had Hammond and Goulding which they had paid transfer fees for. No way lee was getting a look in for few years yet.
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| Quote ="walter bishop"Who's AJM ?'"
Alexander James Murphy.
Stand to be corrected but he was Warrington's director of football at the time or something like that.
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| Quote ="St pete"I'm a big fan of lee Briers, always have been since he was a kid at saints. I don't think he was treated as bad as people make out, he was never keeping Goulding shirt, he was only playing while he was banned.'"
Respect your opinion! but I still think he could have been treated better after playing in all those cup games.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Respect your opinion! but I still think he could have been treated better after playing in all those cup games.'"
It paid off as we held the challenge cup up. He knew deep down he was never going to keep his place.
It's like Gaskell now, he came in and showed form to suggest he's going to be very good player but can't get a look due to hohaia but Gaskell has stuck with us (so far) and knows times on his side.
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| To be fair Goulding and Lance are so far apart, that they are on different planets.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"To be fair Goulding and Lance are so far apart, that they are on different planets.'"
I'm trying to point out to the poster that every coach in rugby league would have put bobbie back in for the final. He was the heart beat of our team, our main man. It's not like he was coming back from injury and could have broke down.
I'm also saying, maybe lee should have stuck it out a little longer and maybe would have broke in to the side. He was only young kid.
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| Quote ="SomersetSaint"Probably confirms that finch is on his way out. You'd have to say that Gaskell and smith aren't exactly inspiring signings, added to tge likes of gelling and the trogs and Wigan do seem to be going for mediocrity. Ok while the team is dull of confidence, but when the bubble bursts they will be found out.'"
Nice when you've GOT A BUBBLE TO BURST THOUGH!
Rock 'n' Roll.
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| Quote ="St pete"I'm trying to point out to the poster that every coach in rugby league would have put bobbie back in for the final. He was the heart beat of our team, our main man. It's not like he was coming back from injury and could have broke down.
I'm also saying, maybe lee should have stuck it out a little longer and maybe would have broke in to the side. He was only young kid.'"
Exactly. It's Briers' loss not our's.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Exactly. It's Briers' loss not our's.'"
Exactly, when saints look back we will see many challenge cups, super leagues, grand finals, league leaders shields, world champions.
When lee looks back he will see two challenge cups and one league leaders shield.
I think we made correct choice myself.
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| Quote ="pies-r-us"Nice when you've GOT A BUBBLE TO BURST THOUGH!
Rock 'n' Roll.'"
The real Wigoon bubble burst was back in the 90's though when it all came out just how skint you were . (The price of beating part timers to meaningless titles)
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Why don't you finish the story...a drunk Briers helped Warrington beat Huddersfield 60-4 that day and went on to win their second consecutive Challenge Cup at Wembley. Not bad for a boozed up halfback who wastes his talent.
Or maybe Briers just looks good because he plays in a world class side?'"
What's that got to do with anything? The point is that a supposed top class professional sportsman was on the lash up to the very last possible minute he could get away with before dashing over the Pennines (undoubtedly while over the legal limit...) to get to an uber important game in his team's season. Nobody's doubting Brier's talent and I'd have him in a Saints shirt next season in a heartbeat - the point being made was his professionalism (and basic common sense while we're at it) and that is demonstrably open to question to say the very least... He'd be a darn sight better player undoubtedly with a just little application of either/both sense and professionalism.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"So close.'"
That 10 years of cheating your way to all those trophies was well worth your club now sleeping rough on the streets of Wigan, begging cap in hand to Latics for a cup of tea and a warm place to sleep every now and then, eh?
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Not a bad attempt at trolling , the old ones are the best after all. The thing with Wigoon fans is , even when you were skint and homeless (I suppose Orrell counts as a home) you always maintained your arrogance and deluded view of the world.'"
"were"? That makes it sound like its a thing of the past, should have read "are skint and homeless"
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| Quote ="Northampton_Saint"That 10 years of cheating your way to all those trophies was well worth your club now sleeping rough on the streets of Wigan, begging cap in hand to Latics for a cup of tea and a warm place to sleep every now and then, eh?'"
Cheating? Is that what you call going professional before the rest could?
Anyway, my point was simply that whatever your opinion is of/however you class what Wigan did in the era immediately before SL, it can hardly be dismissed as 'a little success'.
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