As I've said, she's never played the game and can't seem to grasp that it's a tough, fast and high impact game.

Shes ok tho IMO and always there for a heated debate if I've fell out with the mrs.

Answer the question.

Have you watched the video of the game yet?

Should I stand to attention?

there were other things in the game that went against us, the incident with wheeler being the big talking point. i hope the kid gets back from injury quick as players for stand off are now few and far between for us... however having said that i also thought that when we got the penalty to go 24-22 in front, we should haverun at them and gone for a try or at least forced another set thus tiring their defence out further rather than giving them a breather by taking the two!

however we should have played to the whistle and not have allowed them that stroll in for the win when we looked like we had switched off.

Scott Moore took a nap. If he could have just waited two minutes longer, he could have had a really great sleep in!

I'll take that as a no then?

Under the letter of the law it was a Penalty and a Sin Binning, it was a late hit. Wheeler had time to look up before he was hit. However, any calls for a banning are an over exageration.

Describe yourself and I might be

So opinion only matters depending on your level of rugby playing experience.

That would make Gary schoffields opinions one of the most valid and well respected opinions in the Rugby world.

The fact he's a plonker should not impact on his point of view being the closest thing to the absolute truth.


How condesending do you want to get???

Next we'll be saying only those that play should be allowed to watch and support a team, as the commoner will just bring down the quality of the watching public.

That's a similar arguement that the union types have when league types comment about their game being to technical and not entertaining enough.

although I dont agree with Pete on the Hoffman situation I do think he has a point about playing the game. When you've played you do understand things that someone who's never been out on a field never would and I think it allows you to have a little more perspective on some incidents. That said having played doesnt make you an oracle for all things Rugby and the amount of players who have failed in the transition to coach proves that for me.

Some very under handed things happen and " maybe" some coaches tell certain players to do certain things in the game.

And sometimes these things win you games.

COYS, I think we are being overly critical of our side, we were as close to winning as you can get, lets see how we shape up in a few months time. With the likes of Gaskell, Clough, Perry all back. It would be very unlucky to be down to the last 15 men 2 times in a row against wigan.

It's true tho ain't it mate?

I know you've played the game and without doubt you'll have heard a coach tell a player to smash him everytime he kicks that ball or things to that effect!

Oh yeah , it's true and it happens at all levels of the game. People who think it doesnt are naive

How's retirement anyway?

It maybe true just as coaches coach to slow the play the ball. But still does not stop it being a penalty when they push it too far.

I don't think it was a red card, but hooper used to get regular yellows for the same challenges. We did not even get a stoppage in play when the game came back to where the player was injured.

If it had been a long or Tomkins that got taken out, then I guess the reaction would have been different, we would have had rolls and cartwheels to make sure the ref saw it. As is was Wheeler he did not make a big deal even though injured and we got nowt.

Crap ! I miss playing , I dont miss the morning after playing though. I think if I play again now the missus will kill me lol

I'm back playing! They was short one week and I put the boots on and just carried on lol

It depends on what exactly he has done and what the treatment is. If he's damaged ligaments (which is possible and will probably only show on an MRI) then his season is probably over. I'm due for an op in May to sort out my shoulder and I was told no contact sport for 6 months ...

Good Stuff , play as long as you can because you'll be a long time retired ! I think my bodys given up on me though lol

Your just a wimp mate



I'm playing everyweek with a dislocated thumb which needs a pin put in, my shoulder is also fooked and my knee like a balloon every Sunday morning.

you sound like Gary Wheeler !

I do don't I, but I get on the pitch every week lol

That may be so, but it doesn't change the fact that had there been another ref in charge, the hit on Wheeler by Hoffman might have been judged as late and a penalty would have been forthcoming. I think it was late, if Wheeler had time to look up before Hoffman hit him (and that is what Wheeler has said).

The game is different now because it is professional, players (correctly) have rights and clubs/the RFL have a duty of care to those players. We can still have our biff and our big hits but they should be played out within the context of minimising what is already a very risky sport for the individuals playing it.