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| Saints have an engrained ambition to turn out a team of 17 home grown players. They have to be applauded for the work they are doing with the local amateur clubs to bring through the next generation, but even so, I do accept there is a balancing act.
Not very often that a local amateur side will produce a TP or Jamie Lyon is it.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"If this is confirmed it once again shows the difference in ambition amongst the SL clubs at the moment. Clubs like Warrington and Wigan seem hell beant on winning, whereas the likes of Saints and Leeds don't seem particularly focused in what they are doing.
Saints seem to be economising and not caring if we win and Leeds seem happy with their run of success and look happy to sit back and watch it unfold for a year or two.'"
Is this the ambitious Warrington that couldn't beat us again last year and that we knocked out of the play-offs?
They're lucky they haven't drawn us in the cup for 2 years.
I'll get more pleasure out of watching British players like Shenton and Wheeler in the centres than some Aussie who's only over here because he's a drunken buffoon. He's not even that good anyway, you make him sound like a Gasnier or a Lyon when he's just another Matt King.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Is this the ambitious Warrington that couldn't beat us again last year and that we knocked out of the play-offs?
They're lucky they haven't drawn us in the cup for 2 years.
I'll get more pleasure out of watching British players like Shenton and Wheeler in the centres than some Aussie who's only over here because he's a drunken buffoon. He's not even that good anyway, you make him sound like a Gasnier or a Lyon when he's just another Matt King.'"
admittedly something happens when wire play Saints. It is sad. Will probably change really soon.
As someone mentions Wire are developing and are obsessed with winning, while to be blunt, Saints are stagnating.
Wire have won back-to-back Challenge cups
Saints have won nothing for 3 years (I think)
It is sad and has been trotted out by every wire fan since August but it is true.
What happens when 3 weeks into the season wire has destroyed saints at Widnes. or even just won.
It will really ram it home.
I don't think meeting saints in Wire's cup run would have changed the outcome of final at all, but that is just me.
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| Quote ="jdrocket"What happens when 3 weeks into the season wire has destroyed saints at Widnes. or even just won.
It will really ram it home.'"
To put it bluntly - you had the best injury record of any top side last season, we had the worst, and we still finished above you and beat you three times.
With 2 fit half backs and 2 more props next season, I don't see that changing. Better start praying that Pryce/Estmond/Perry miss the first month of the season chap.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"To Wire via Cas.
[urlhttp://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/joel-monaghans-future-revealed/story-e6frep5x-1225958752098[/url'"
Shocking! Who'd have called that first?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee":4ef8zchxTo put it bluntly - you had the best injury record of any top side last season, we had the worst, and we still finished above you and beat you three times.
With 2 fit half backs and 2 more props next season, I don't see that changing. Better start praying that Pryce/Estmond/Perry miss the first month of the season chap.'" :4ef8zchx
i am not saying saints didn't have the worst. but wire didn't have the best. Missing a great centre for most of the year and our play maker too isn;t great.
i have said about the wire hoodoo. It won't last forever though
and yeah that last game of the year where Wire fielded some of the reserves at quins while saints ahd to fight tooth and nail and a few bent rules against cas. Wire could have probably nothed up a cricket score against quins.
The point is Wire have gone from mid tbale nothing to
back-to-back challenge cups.
Saints have gone from winning everything to losing 4 grand finals on the bounce. (although i can't say for sure they were in the last one... I never saw them) Stagnating? How on earth do you get that impression?
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| Quote ="The Chief"Saints have an engrained ambition to turn out a team of 17 home grown players. They have to be applauded for the work they are doing with the local amateur clubs to bring through the next generation, but even so, I do accept there is a balancing act.'"
Only insofar as if Saints haven't been able to raise a player in a particular position who is of the right standard then Saints should look elsewhere to fill that position, but primarily within England and only if an English player can't be found, then from down under.
I'd love Saints to be the first club to field 17 home growns of the right standard to compete at the highest level in Superleague. That would be fantastic.
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| Saints will bounce back strong, i think the stadium has just become an unwanted distraction off the field.
The team i think are on their way down are Leeds BM & JL as coaches ? 5th place at best for the Rhinos.
Although we have had 2 trophy winning season i still think we are off for another season or two BUT i think there will be a more consistent Warrington over the years.
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| Quote ="jdrocket"i am not saying saints didn't have the worst. but wire didn't have the best.'"
I think you'll find you did. Check the stats for amount of players used, Warrington used the least.
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yeah that last game of the year where Wire fielded some of the reserves at quins while saints ahd to fight tooth and nail and
a few bent rules against cas. Wire could have probably nothed up a cricket score against quins.'"
That's not our fault you decided to rest a few. Maybe it's a lesson learnt as it backfired dramatically for you and we whooped you in round one.
Quote ="jdrocket"oh and 2 fit half backs. if i wasn't poor i'd bet eastmond won't play 7 of the 27 rounds and Pryce wants to be Bradford ( and may well be) but you're right, they'll be tough.
2 props... i've heard perry is average [don't quote me on that though and taking into account he will have to get used to St Helens (**shivers**) it may take a while.
But the year after it is bye bye Graham + Pryce, probabaly Eastmond, maybe Roby... the list goes on and on you know how many contracts end next year. I think it could be changing soon. But then again it isn't a hoodoo for nothing.'"
I love the blind hope Wire fans have each year. I heard similar things when Sculthorpe left, when Long left, now that Cunningham has left. Saints are finished, bla bla bla. The fact is, when we lose our best players we replace them or produce someone from our academy with excellent ability and potential. Saints are a well managed club and whilst we aren't winning things right now, we're not far off and with a new coach and new stadium / training facility to come our side will only get stronger.
It's difficult to judge Simmons yet, and I could be wrong on this, but I've got a feeling he'll get an extra gear out of us that Potter couldn't manage, which could make a big difference. I'm hoping we'll get more luck on the injury front.
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| Joel Monaghan... Castleford 2011... then onto Warrington for 2012 onwards
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| Quote ="Mr. Messy"Joel Monaghan... Castleford 2011... then onto Warrington for 2012 onwards'"
Well we'd never have guessed.
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[urlhttp://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/joel-monaghans-future-revealed/story-e6frep5x-1225958752098[/url'"
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| Try page 16
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=21&t=475706&start=225[/url
You're not having a good night are you?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Try page 16
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=21&t=475706&start=225[/url
You're not having a good night are you?
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Same as the above, couldn't be bothered scrolling through pages... was watching Coppers... filmed in Wakefield... did some Rugby League spotting and saw Richard Moore in the Background whilst a Copper was being interviewed!
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| Quote ="Yed"King by most accounts will be back in Aus'"
Thats not what he was saying on Friday when he was chatting at a charity event.
He's not even gone back for Christmas yet and has every intention of being with dire next year.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"Thats not what he was saying on Friday when he was chatting at a charity event.
He's not even gone back for Christmas yet and has every intention of being with dire next year.'"
Next year being 2011? if so i know, I'm on about 2012 ermm..... the year Joel would be coming to Wire.
Nothing and no one in the know has indicated King staying beyond his current contract.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Is this the ambitious Warrington that couldn't beat us again last year and that we knocked out of the play-offs?
They're lucky they haven't drawn us in the cup for 2 years.
I'll get more pleasure out of watching British players like Shenton and Wheeler in the centres than some Aussie who's only over here because he's a drunken buffoon. He's not even that good anyway, you make him sound like a Gasnier or a Lyon when he's just another Matt King.'"
You mean lucky Saints couldn't get to the final.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"You mean lucky Saints couldn't get to the final.'"
No. The former.
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"No. The former.'"
To be fair though, we would have 'drawn' Saints in the final had you avoided being eliminated.
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| It's loking like joel monaghan will be at the wolves next year.
After all wolves do look pretty simular to dogs
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| Plenty dogs in Warrington on a friday night too.
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| Signed for Wire
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| Great signing for them
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| So hocks retires without a pay off and decides to go back home without the security of a decent job!
This sport is a joke!
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