You cannot expect to beat teams of the calibre of Leeds when carrying players of the like of Flanagan, Jones and Swift.

Flanagan is rubbish, Jones is rubbish and not interested. Swift is !!! well, total rubbish.

You missed Tuner in the negatives in the first half. His defence is nothing short of dreadful. It was on par with Sarginson in last nights game for poor defence.

I don't tbink leeds was that many points better than us the first half. They grabbed a few long distance scores but Our edge defence was utter shocking. Both centres in the first half was awful and wilkin couidnt tackle a 10 year old.

We was much better 2nd half with the ball but yet again as soon as leeds get the ball they score.

Sav was awesome the 2nd half and showed he can do it if he applies himself. We miss lomax something chronic, he gives us threat on the edges when he links up on the edge. Tommy can't do this and looks like a winger out of position at fullback. His defence is good but HES dead wirh the ball.

We lack a prop big time. We can't keeping relying on walmsley. Amor is struggling for form at moment and mose is a complete waste of space.

I think we will be ok when percy gets back and walsh and Burns stay fit but our defence worries me big time!

I realise that.

Must've been seen as he passed it to Sutcliffe.

Curses - foiled again.

By the time percy is back Roby and walmsley will be burnt out.

The only injury risk to Mose is getting splinters in his while on the bench between his hitchcock like cameos.

Good god! Hold your nerve.

Let us refresh this conversation with a little realism. We are currently in the middle of an atrocious injury run. We are missing countless quality players whilst several of our starters are clearly playing crocked (see Roby). This is the first real chance our halves have had the opportunity to play with each other in a Saints shirt.

So far we've done brilliantly. Yes - we've lost a few games recently. But once the likes of Vea, Percy, Greenwood et al return and Burns and Walsh have had the opportunity to re-develop their prior relationship I don't think we'll have any problems at all.

It's easy to look at Leeds' play tonight and consider that we are somehow "deficient" in certain departments. That Leeds are clearly better at attacking play etc. etc.

All I'll say is this: if Jamie Peacock were crocked tomorrow they'd suddenly hit a brick wall at a high rate of knots.

As previously stated - Leeds are entirely welcome to a dozen point lead come the end of the season. The advantages gained from such are practically non-existent provided we finish 2nd or even 3rd.

And how many times have we seen sides wowing the competition at the mid-way point delivering strangely muted performances at the end of the year?

We've now got a few relatively easy games to get ourselves back on the horse. Three wins and no major injuries and job done for this part of the competition. IMO, other sides have far bigger problems to solve than us.

Percy's back next week, according to his twitter feed - or at least he said today that he's out for one week, so maybe it'll be the week after next.

Whatever makes you feel better pal...

Leeds were missing Hall and Briscoe, two of the most physical and attacking wingers in the competition, as well as England starters. Add to that recent international Jamie Jones-Buchanan and hugely influential prop forward Kylie Leuluei and I would suggest Leeds have just shown you the power of their squad tonight. It is a squad game and if Saints can't manage that, then results like tonight will happen again.

We only had 3 players out this week. Leeds had a few players missing and also had players playing with injuries and they basically showed us up to be average.

A very very poor hull team came to langtree on Easter Monday who also had injuries and beat us on our own turf.

Add the hull KR game also, they had half their pack out and beat us.

Injuries can be a excuse but those games mentioned above we should have won but didn't play to our ability. The defence on edges is as poor as ive seen from a pro team.

However, if we get Burns and walsh firing and percy back in the centre we will be ok and should make top 4 but we need one hell of improvent and fast!

Don't think we ever recovered from the interception. On another day he knocks on and then we score off the resulting scrum. Heads up and we have a great start.

I agree with the above, I think we have forgotten how to attack and that should come in time but Makinson is not a FB and we desperately need a replacement.

The defence was a shambles in the first half and that really hurt us. Our edge defence has looked vulnerable all season tbh and tonight it was horribly exposed.

I was also so frustrated with Masoe. The guy's first spell didn't even touch the ball and was on for 5mins maybe? Disgraceful that.

Getting bored of saying it now but our outside backs are pathetic. Cant break wind let alone a tackle and that is why a top quality centre and winger should be priority over any new PROP. Props dont win you the big games, fast, athletic individuals who can score from anywhere on the field win you the top games.

Not one outside back of ours would get into that leeds team tonight and that was without Hall and Briscoe.

Matty Fleming did ok but a winger ? younger version of Jones. Looks like we teach our young lads to run as though there running in cement, so slow it's unreal.

Think he played 15 mins all game. I'm looking forward to seeing his stats tomorrow. No doubt the usual postsers will be making excuses for him as usual.

In terms of Saints tonight, what it showed was you flog Roby too much to the point you knacker him out (as much as some Leeds are complaint that we sub Aiton off, he'll benefit from those 20 mins spells on the sidelines) and that your hopes rest massively on the shoulders of Walsh. Had he still been out injured it would've probably been a 40 point gap tonight.

What, does Lomax not count? As for Roby - he's been crocked for weeks. Today he could barely stand up straight at the play the ball. Walsh hasn't played seemingly for years.



So what? In case you haven't realised it's impossible to win every game. Admittedly Hull are a poor side. But the lads had just come off a very hard game against Wigan with practically no turnaround.



A Hull KR game in which we dominated possession and they scored two or three very fortunate breakaway tries. On another day we'd have put 40 past them.



Well, if we're a poor side defensively then everybody else is a hell of a lot poorer. In case you haven't checked the points against total on the table.



Get the players back and we win the league. Period.

We were missing more than 3 tonight. Lomax, Wellens Hohaia, Percival, Vea and Greenwood off the top of my head.

Going into this match: Best defence in the league.
After this match: Jordan Turner - top try scorer.
Makinson - proven quality.
Percy is out injured.
Lomax out injured.
Swift had a mixed game. But he's young and still learning.

Your argument is weak and not based on any evidence.

I agree we lack a outside back but God we miss a fully fit jonny lomax. Lomax puts the fear of good into teams as he's unpredicatble. Tommy doesn't offer anything with the ball.

I think we in dire need of a good prop. Amor being more dominated this year and we can't expect miracles of Richards, sav and Thompson as they are to young. So Walmsley is basically the only prop that can worry the other team.

I hope our recruitment is in order for 2016!

This I do agree with. He should never have played tonight. Never.

Lance wasn't selected. He was fit.

I forget about wello tbh

Based on what?

Biggest load of crap I've ever seen on this board. Fast, athletic backs win you matches. Props win you TITLES.

If you haven't figured this out by now after nineteen seasons of SL (in which no team I can recall has won the GF without one or more top, top quality prop forwards).

Where would Leeds be without Jamie Peacock?

I admire your backing of the club you support and love but without getting into another boring heated debate (ive tried not to the best I can) but that post seems like a bunch of excuses to me.

Not only saints played two games over Easter. Not only saints have players playing with injuries and not only saints have plsyers out injuried.

You need to accept that we are not as good as you think, it will cause less upset come the end of the season mate

Lomax is gone for the season. No point counting him or wishing he was playing, his gone. We dont have one individual who can go 70 metres after breaking a tackle and i include Makinson is that. We dont have 1 international quality outside back at the club. Leeds have 4 and if Moon was English he'd be a shoe in aswel

It's ok I'll let you off.



Out of interest, who was the other player, you forgot about?